Interviews
On Tuesday, June 23, barnesandnoble.com welcomed Thomas Moore, author of THE SOUL OF SEX.
Moderator: barnesandnoble@aol was pleased to welcome Thomas Moore to our Authors@aol series. Thomas Moore is a psychotherapist with a doctorate in religion from Syracuse University. As a young man, he spent 12 years in a Catholic monastery. He is also author of CARE OF THE SOUL and SOUL MATES, among numerous other titles. His latest book is THE SOUL OF SEX.
JainBN: Mr. Moore, can't thank you enough for coming by tonight.
Thomas Moore: My pleasure!
JainBN: We've been looking forward to having you all week. The audience is all geared up....
Thomas Moore: We're ready!
Question: Were you named after either Sir Thomas More, author of UTOPIA, or Thomas Moore, the 19th-century Irish poet?
Thomas Moore: Neither. I was named after my father.
Question: Do you agree that many of our sexual difficulties as Americans stem from our repressive puritanical origins?
Thomas Moore: Only in part. People forever have had a conflict between their sexual passions and their expectations of themselves.
Question: How do you relate the soul to a sexual experience?
Thomas Moore: There can be no human experience that does not involve the soul. And sex is one of the most profound human experiences. If we have sex without soul, then our sexuality lacks humanity.
Question: What is your diagnosis of the crisis in teen sexual promiscuity today? Is there one?
Thomas Moore: There seems to be a real problem. I think it's due to our failure to initiate our young people into deep human sexuality.
Question: With sex so often portrayed as a power act -- an act of ego -- how quickly do you think your thoughts of sex as the natural, nurturing development of the individual will be incorporated into the thinking of popular culture?
Thomas Moore: They won't be. Our culture is headed in the direction of a highly technical view of human life. And this direction takes us away from values of the soul. I feel like a lone and small voice for something that is disappearing.
Question: I feel that to be present on a spiritual level during sex, one has to know and accept themselves. Do you agree? Any suggestions how to get to that level of acceptance?
Thomas Moore: The first step is to forgive ourselves for past mistakes. We all get into trouble in some way with sex. We need to understand that and allow ourselves that fundamental human experience. I think it's more important to love ourselves than to understand ourselves.
Question: Since there are so many children growing up without two parents, do you think that the next generation will become more or less committed to having lasting marriages?
Thomas Moore: I think that marriage is an elastic, flexible arrangement. I would expect that marriage may change in the future. Or, in the best of circumstances, we may be more tolerant of varied sexual arrangements.
Question: How do you feel about premarital sex? Is it good for a potential marriage or does it cause lasting problems?
Thomas Moore: It all depends on the individual. Marriage can present terrible problems for many, many people. So can a high-paying job. I don't think there's anything inherent in premarital sex that has negative consequences. I don't think it's my role to say what is good and bad, right or wrong, healthy or unhealthy.
Question: What is one of the ways you suggest that we initiate our young people into deep human sexuality?
Thomas Moore: One way would be to stop talking about sex as though it were a medical affair that is purely physical. We could encourage young people to read the great stories and to see really fine films that shed light on sexuality.
Question: Speaking from your own background in the church and in psychology, are there any objective values to the terms "morality" and "psychological health," or are they merely synonymous with "social conformity"?
Thomas Moore: Well, they have nothing to do with social conformity. That's the most superficial definition of morality that is possible. On the other hand, we have to have a very strong, deep-rooted sense of ethics about sex that is not too simple. And that takes into account the very complex struggles that are part of our sexual maturing.
Question: How do you feel about the highly sexualized culture of celebrity in our society? Would you agree that celebrities serve as sexual proxies for the vicarious fantasizing of a fan base suffering from chronically low self-esteem?
Thomas Moore: That is a complicated question. In my view, celebrity is our modern form of mythology. I think that celebrities allow us to imagine what human life can be. And we do measure ourselves in relation to celebrities. I wish we had other sources of mythological thinking. But in any case, there is a great weight of responsibility on the part of celebrities because of their influence.
Question: Do you find Mediterranean Europe a good model for the U.S. in terms of its emphasis on eroticism in public life and its relative lack of moralism?
Thomas Moore: If you really mean lack of moralism and not lack of morality, I do think that many other cultures, and maybe especially the cultures in the warmer climates, could teach us how to be more relaxed and more sensuous, and those lessons could be very important to us and our sexuality.
Question: Have you considered the relationships between sex and those religions which are by and large even more puritanical than Christianity, such as traditional Islam and orthodox Judaism?
Thomas Moore: As far as I know, most religions, certainly the major religions, suffer from the dangers of becoming too moralistic. As I see it, this danger is part of the spiritual life in general. It seems to me that patriotism can become moralistic in this way, as can business and education and psychology. The issue is not so much the religious traditions as the tendency to become perfectionistic in whatever we do.
Question: What is your opinion on extramarital relations?
Thomas Moore: I have no opinion. As I said before, marriage can be brutal. And anything can be done in a way that is immoral and destructive. Any form of sexuality that is outside the accepted norm can be brutal as well and therefore immoral. But I think it can also be very moral and full of good will.
Question: The soul and sex are only part of the experience. Where does love fit into your equation?
Thomas Moore: Love is everywhere in this equation. I don't want to sentimentalize love. I think that we are a highly mental, highly controlling and controlled people. And we have yet to learn how to live from the principle of love. My book on sex is all about love. I describe sex as one of the facets of love.
Question: How can the two sexes ever come together on an intimate level, when girls still are raised to look for a Prince Charming, and boys are raised to think of themselves first?
Thomas Moore: Well, that's a strange question. Both girls and boys are raised with glowing expectations. In this society, both men and women are highly insolent to think of themselves first. I'd rather not break that question down into gender.
Question: How have people's personal attitudes towards sex changed in response to the climate of hysteria over epidemic STDs? How has the renewed taboo of promiscuity in the face of this crisis affected people's behavior in the bedroom?
Thomas Moore: I don't know the facts; I'm not a sociologist. But it often happens in the life of individuals or a society that some threat to one's physical or emotional life makes us stop and think about what we're doing. We can often make some progress because of such threats. I hope that that will be the case with our current well-founded concern about disease. But I hope that we can deepen our sexual ideas and behavior more positively without the need of threats.
Question: How do you feel about the advent of Viagra?
Thomas Moore: As with any drug, I would hope it doesn't increase our view of ourselves as collections of chemicals. But generally, I think it's great that the drug industry is helping men and couples with their sexuality.
Question: In general, do you feel that women have an easier time reaching an elevated state of sensuality?
Thomas Moore: Generally, I do think that women have a greater opportunity to experience the fullness of their sexuality compared to men. Although there are obviously many exceptions. And this is because in our society women embody the values of the soul. And men are generally encouraged to develop the values of control. In general, it would not take much for us to make a more sensuous world of good food, color, beauty, and deep pleasure. This kind of world would support both men and women as we go about the very important task of developing and enjoying the full extent of our sexuality.
JainBN: Mr. Moore, thank you. Any closing thoughts?
Thomas Moore: Thank you for the good questions! My one thought is don't do anything unless there is some real pleasure in it.
JainBN: On that note...goodnight.
Thomas Moore: Goodnight!