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All Music Guide - Marisa Brown
With anticipation so high it caused debate not only among fans but among the group itself, Wu-Tang Clan's fifth studio record, 8 Diagrams, found itself at the center of attention as 2007 wound down. First there was the announcement of the successful obtainment of the Beatles' "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" sample which was later corrected to "interpolation," as it was actually played by Chili Peppers guitarist John Frusciante with help from George Harrison's son, a Wu enthusiast himself, Dhani. Then Raekwon did a highly publicized online interview in which he accused the RZA of taking a dictatorial stance regarding the shape of the album, calling him a "hip-hop hippie" who...
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Editorial Reviews

All Music Guide - Marisa Brown
With anticipation so high it caused debate not only among fans but among the group itself, Wu-Tang Clan's fifth studio record, 8 Diagrams, found itself at the center of attention as 2007 wound down. First there was the announcement of the successful obtainment of the Beatles' "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" sample which was later corrected to "interpolation," as it was actually played by Chili Peppers guitarist John Frusciante with help from George Harrison's son, a Wu enthusiast himself, Dhani. Then Raekwon did a highly publicized online interview in which he accused the RZA of taking a dictatorial stance regarding the shape of the album, calling him a "hip-hop hippie" who was moving the Clan in the wrong direction. Then Ghostface Killah followed suit, also protesting the timing of the release it had been set for December 4, the same day The Big Doe Rehab was to come out, but was pushed back a week. Finally, RZA responded, diplomatically, thoughtfully, respecting the opinions of the dissenting MCs but standing by his own work. There's reason for his confidence. Nothing RZA does is haphazard, and 8 Diagrams is clearly something he's put a lot of thought and energy into. It's beautifully, impeccably produced, from the soundtrack strings and horns of "Rushing Elephants" and "Unpredictable" to the philosophical samples and guitars that are interspersed throughout -- it's a mood record more than anything else, with no clear-cut single or fan favorites, the kind of thing that deepens and grows with every listen. Suffice it to say, it's probably not the album anyone would predict from the group after a six-year break, but it is truly RZA's crowning achievement, the result of both his years with the Wu and in Hollywood, intricate, dark, reflective, and gorgeous. These same qualities, however, can be used to support the less-than-enthusiastic response from Raekwon and Ghostface and fans of the early hard-hitting Wu-Tang of 36 Chambers which, ironically -- or not -- was not the universally revered masterpiece it is now when it came out in 1993. The beats are certainly not something either usually raps over, and their moodiness and heavy attention to melody don't always fit their edgier flows. Still, both manage to contribute some pretty great verses -- Ghost on the Easy Mo Bee co-produced "Take It Back" "We gonna have a ball/Might as well have a testicle" and "The Heart Gently Weeps," a song which also features the Chef at his finest, strange violent imagery and all -- and do nothing to discredit themselves, a repercussion Raekwon hinted at. In fact, all eight MCs are in fine form here. U-God, Masta Killa, and Inspectah Deck are able balance their old-school deliveries with the 23rd century beats, GZA is suitably genius-like "Hold you for a ransom note/Goliath cutting David's throat/Grab your vests, abandon boat/And leave you out at sea to float," he spits on the excellent "Stick Me for My Riches", RZA esoteric and serious and the only one with a solo track, "Sunlight", and Method Man absolutely great, showing up on no less than half the tracks, his raspy voice and tight rhymes reminiscent of his early Tical work. 8 Diagrams is certainly not perfect. There is far too much singing, particularly in the second half of the album, where things slow down considerably, which helps substantiate the criticism that's surrounded it: that it's too pretty, too soft. This is indeed a record that will be debated for a while, and one of the few about which pretty much everyone will be right, whether they love it or hate it. It is a departure from previous releases and it does focus on melody and guitars and strings, but it is also lush and well-crafted and smart and addictive. Part of what's made RZA and the rest of the Clan thrive is their unpredictability and inventiveness, and so to create something expected would be counterintuitive to the band's ethos, and to what's made them so revered and respected across nations and genres and generations. Hip-hop has indisputably changed since 1993, and for Wu-Tang to not change with it would be not only shortsighted, it would be detrimental to their own immense creative powers as well. Unfortunately, this doesn't mean everyone will appreciate what they've done, but that won't be because 8 Diagrams isn't good; it just depends if you're willing to at least try to understand it.
New York Times - Kelefa Sanneh
...most of the best tracks sound as if they were about to fall apart: "Campfire" has tightly wound verses on top of a beat that keeps drifting out of the mix; "Get Them Out Ya Way Pa" rides a precariously wobbly bass line.
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Product Details

  • Release Date: 12/11/2007
  • Label: Motown
  • UPC: 602517534216
  • Catalog Number: 001037702
  • Sales rank: 389,060

Tracks

Disc 1
  1. 1 Campfire (3:58)
  2. 2 Take It Back (4:12)
  3. 3 Get Them out Ya Way Pa (4:18)
  4. 4 Rushing Elephants (3:00)
  5. 5 Unpredictable - Dexter Wiggle (4:11)
  6. 6 The Heart Gently Weeps - Dhani Harrison (5:37)
  7. 7 Wolves (4:16)
  8. 8 Gun Will Go - Sunny Valentine (4:14)
  9. 9 Sunlight (3:22)
  10. 10 Stick Me for My Riches (6:08)
  11. 11 Starter - Tash Mahogany (4:13)
  12. 12 Windmill (4:31)
  13. 13 Weak Spot (3:58)
  14. 14 Life Changes (7:21)
Disc 2
  1. 1 Enter the 8 Diagrams
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Album Credits

Performance Credits
Wu-Tang Clan Primary Artist
Gary Foote Bass
John Frusciante Guitar
RZA Guitar, Strings
Marco Vitali Strings
Trevor James Bass
Dhani Harrison Guitar
Sunny Valentine Background Vocals
Technical Credits
Easy Mo Bee Programming, Producer
Lamont Dozier Composer
George Drakoulias Producer, Engineer
RZA Arranger, Programming, Producer, Engineer
Robert Diggs Executive Producer
Mitchell Diggs Executive Producer
Bob Lanzner Mastering
Jose "Choco" Reynoso Engineer
Eva Ries Interviewer, Marketing
Tatia Fox Marketing
Vickie Charles Publicity
Daniel Pappas Marketing
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  • Anonymous

    Posted October 1, 2010

    a reviewer

    this album was not what i was expecting. yeah the beats arent as great as some of there other albums like 36 chambers, but it is lyrically good. overall its a ok album.

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  • Anonymous

    Posted October 1, 2010

    a gem amongst group turmoil..

    Although Ghostface and Raekwon spoke out against the quality of the album before it was released this is a top-notch Wu effort. It may take a while for the album to sink in (I hated it after 1 listen) but once you start to catch the vibe of it, it's a classic in its own right. A modern Rza masterpiece. I would rate it ahead of both "The W" and "Iron Flag". Must-have for Wu-Tang fans.

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  • Anonymous

    Posted October 1, 2010

    A reviewer

    This cd is an absolute awful production from wu tang. Im the biggest wu fan to, im so disapointed that this has even been released. 98% of my time listening to music is wu related tunes, was hoping the disc would be tang raw like wu forever or chambers blasting with raw lyrics and beats, this disc has none of that atall, just plain tunes that will make you go asleep. It has no wu tang power in it. That power is what made wu tang what they were, why change it?. Had millions of fans now most not interested after the terrible release of iron flag and the "w" will just continue to listen to all the old wu classics as some listed below

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  • Anonymous

    Posted October 1, 2010

    A reviewer

    Wutang is still on top of hip-hop with their orignality, dark to melodic hypnotic beats with amazing instrumentals. The RZA does a phoenomenal job in making the CD supring and UNPREDICTABLE as one of the tracks is titled. I would recommend this album to anyone. It might not be as grimy as 36 chamber but it is a masterpiece of melodies ensembled in a stew of perfect WU dynasty style.

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  • Anonymous

    Posted October 1, 2010

    4 stars! The hate is insane!

    This album might be a bit different, but why hate a band for doing some different things? I'm a longtime Wu fan and I like this album a lot ... Campfire and Stick Me For My Riches are my favorite tracks.

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  • Anonymous

    Posted October 1, 2010

    A reviewer

    This is a great album. I'm not sure what Ghost's problem was with the production because it isn't that hippiefied at all, with the exception of the Beatles sample. I think it ranks right up there with "The W" as the next best CDs from the Wu after "36 Chambers." There are some surprises as well, for instance U-God is dropping some of the best verses of his career lately on both this and the new Ghostface disc. The other MCs are still consistently stellar. So anyways, don't believe the hype because this is another great CD from the Wu and I think RZA did a good job on it.

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