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Starred Review, Publishers Weekly, February 13, 2012:
“Readers who enjoy fast-paced, bloody, historically inflected thrillers in the vein of Dan Brown will be riveted.”
Review, Kirkus Reviews, December 15, 2011:
"Here's something refreshing—a religious-historical thriller . . . serving up shivery suspense, sans fangs or fur . . . A classy read that repays reader effort."
Review, Justine Magazine, February / March 2012:
“A must read for fans of Revolution and The DaVinci Code . . . fast-paced and vivid."
Review, A Chair, A Fireplace, and a Tea Cozy blog, SchoolLibraryJournal.com, March 28, 2012:
"I fell for The Book of Blood and Shadow at the first sentence . . . part of the wonder of The Book of Blood and Shadow is the twists and turns it takes . . .a favorite book read in 2012."
Review, The Horn Book Magazine, March 1, 2012:
"This is a thorough mixture of contemporary American adolescence, the sixteenth-century occult, and atmospheric, historical substance, all dished up with a convoluted plot in DaVinci Code mode."
“A lushly drawn mystery of manipulation and desire."
—Holly Black, author of Black Heart
"Genuinely thrilling. This is the historical conspiracy you've been waiting for."
—Maureen Johnson, author of The Name of the Star
mrsinserra
Posted August 19, 2012
This book was better than I expected it to be, but not as great as everyone says it is. The book of Blood and Shadow is full of twists and turns and keeps the reader on the edge of their seat. It is a mystery, historical fiction, and love story all rolled into one.
Nora is a likable character, but is also a bit dim witted at times. There are so many things that have been going on around her that she somehow never saw or never realized were happening, it is just insane. I got annoyed by her pretty quick.
Adriane is not at all likable, she seemed spoiled and obviously thought she could do whatever she wanted and didn’t care who she hurt in the process.
Max- well- I’m not sure how he fooled everyone so well.
All these people, Chris included, were supposed to be Nora’s best friends but yet she knew nothing about any of them in the end. I wasn’t sure whether to be annoyed at Nora’s stupidity, or sad that she somehow never knew any of her “friends” at all.
Even though this does not seem like a review with flying colors, overall The Book of Blood and Shadow was a good read. It was both entertaining and fresh. I have not read anything like it before. Now it does have similarities to some popular movies and some would say, another well known book, but I saw it mostly as an original work that is worth reading. I would recommend this book to older high school student through adults. Both males and female would probably enjoy this book. There is violence and references to sex, but nothing graphic.
I received this book as an ARC. I do not get paid to review books; I do so in order to assist you in recognizing books that you might enjoy and also to assist parents and teachers in recommending appropriate books for your kids to read.
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Posted December 24, 2012
The Book of Blood and Shadow was a great read. The characters were well developed, with a great plot line. It kept me guessing.
Which I loved. It was sad that Nora didn't truly know the people she trusted. And the one you were driven to think she shouldn't trust
was really the only one she could. I liked the spin of history repeating it self and how she was drawn into the letters and her connection
to them.
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Was this review helpful? Yes NoThank you for your feedback. Report this reviewThank you, this review has been flagged.The Book of Blood and Shadow is okay. It’s got a reasonable plotline, intelligent dialogue, vivid descriptions of a foreign country and complicated characters that are well developed. Unfortunately the frequent infodumps and the somewhat cartoony villains prevented me from really enjoying the story.
But like I said, this book has some very good parts and it’s the characters that really shine here. Their personality growth and transformation after Chris dies is quite painful to watch, though it doesn’t evoke that gut-wrenching emotion you have when you really connect with characters. Despite that, I felt they were all really well-written and their actions logical considering their situation.
The real villain in this story is pure genius. The beginning is slow and some might call it mind-numbingly cheesy, but I found that cheesiness cute and a great way to make sure we didn’t suspect the culprit. Like with all good mystery thrillers you’re never sure who’s guilty even when the answer is staring at you in the face, kudos to a biased—especially if it doesn’t seem like a biased—point of view. I’m rereading the summary now and still shaking my head over how blindingly obvious it is.
At the same time, once he’s discovered I found the actions of the guilty person sub-par. Considering how close he was to Nora, his about-face is rather sudden and a very large inconsistency in his character. Some might say that because of this he’s very well written concerning how complete his facade was before, but I thought it was rather poorly done, almost as if the author was on a deadline and hurrying towards the end.
Often the hardest part of writing is descriptions, and the book fails on this point for me. While there’s no doubt that there are beautifully written picturesque as well as sinister depictions of Prague, the fact that they’re dropped on us as infodumps really sours the mood. Same goes with how we find out about the so-called secret societies, and it happens too often for my liking.
The secret society villains were also kind of funny. Often I got the sense that whenever they appeared they were supposed to evoke a sense of breathless terror in the reader, but all I felt was disappointment that I couldn’t feel it, mostly because there was little-to-none and all-too-vague hints about them. They were too cartoony and cutboard-cutout bad guys for me.
Overall I’m sure that if I’d read this at a younger age when I wasn’t the cynic I am today, I’m sure I would have enjoyed this better. As it stands The Book of Blood and Shadow is not too bad but not too good either. For new readers, I suggest trying out the Cold Awakening series by this author first because it's much better written.
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Posted March 9, 2013
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Was this review helpful? Yes NoThank you for your feedback. Report this reviewThank you, this review has been flagged.The Book Of Blood And Shadow By Robin Wasserman
I am a Roman Catholic, but I am by no means very active in my faith. With that being said, I truly enjoyed reading this book. I avoided
reading The Da Vinci Code because I thought it would have a heavy religious presence. I was reading this book and was thinking this is
probably similar to The Da Vinci Code and yet I am so hooked on Robin's book that I could barely put it down. The way she told this
story kept you guessing and wondering about what exactly is the Lumen Dei and who could possibly be after them and willing to kill to
get it.
In the beginning of this story I wanted Chris to be with Nora but alas that was not meant to be. Chris ends up dating Adriane, making the
duo a trio whom, become inseparable. That is until Nora meets (Chris' roommate) Max, while they are translating Latin manuscripts,
and falls for him. The four friends seem to have it all until the night Chris is murdered.
That night leaves Nora with one dead best friend, one friend who is catatonic, and one boyfriend missing and presumed the murderer.
Now Nora is on a race against time to find her boyfriend, to prove his innocents, and find the real murdered of her best friend Chris
before they all end up dead. Nora's search starts in Prague where mystery assailants dog Nora and Adriane at ever turn. But the more
Nora finds out about the Lumen Dei the more Nora realizes for the sake of all humanity she must continue on her quest no matter what
may happen.
There is so much more I want to say but anything further would ruin this nail biting book for everyone. This truly was an amazing book.
On a scale from 1-10 I give The Book Of Blood And Shadow a BIG HUGE 10. This book was extremely hard to put down and never
disappointed me. I encourage everyone to run out and pick up a copy and help Nora track down Chris' killer and find out what the
Lumen Dei really is.
Anonymous
Posted December 23, 2012
Really good read. I enjoyed the attention to detail and the historical fiction throughout the story line. Very well done. Little disappointed in the ending, but it's kind of left open for more so maybe it's not over yet. Recommend giving it a read. Reminds me of Celia Reese historical fiction and Jennifer Donnelly's Revolution
Was this review helpful? Yes NoThank you for your feedback. Report this reviewThank you, this review has been flagged.In The Book of Blood and Shadows we follow Nora as she recounts the events leading up to her best friends death and the days after where she and her friends seek to figure out the reasoning behind it. As her own boyfriend has fled the scene, he's seen as murder suspect number one and Nora tries to find him to prove his innocence. The mystery takes her to Prague to follow the storyline of the letters and manuscript that she and her friends have been working on at school. Trying to solve the mystery and find what the letters refer to bring about even greater mysteries.
The mixture of the past and present in The Book of Blood and Shadows is really enjoyable. The past portions are conveyed through letters that Nora is working on translating and the conversations she has with the others about the letters and what they have figured out. It feels a bit like The Da Vinci Code for young adults. There is a secret society, you don't know who is good and who is bad, you've got murder, romance, and a mystery that isn't what it seems on the surface. That's a lot for one book to pull off and the author, Robin Wasserman, does a great job at it.
The book goes back and forth in some of the things that have happened, our narrator, Nora, telling us about how things got to this point. There was never any confusion about when we were reading about. As far as the mystery goes, there were a number of things that I didn't see coming and I love to be surprised. Many YA books fall flat in this area of mysteries, but Wasserman treats the reader as an intelligent one and weaves her story and revelations in and out of the plot masterfully.
The characters were all fully realized and complex on their own, but when brought together their relationships added another complexity that I didn't see coming either. All of these things put together make for a wonderful read and the time just flew by along with the pages.
Reviewed by Jessica for Book Sake.
Ugh, this book is just so boring. I've been reading it since the beginning of june. I keep putting it aside for other books because i can't seem the get through it. I really wish it were more interesting but i'm going to try to get through it since i hate leaving a book unfinished but i would not recommend this to anyone.
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Posted June 19, 2012
What I Liked: 1) I loved the way it began. "I guess I should start with the blood." Robin Wasserman certainly knows how to grip you and pull you in from the very beginning. The first few chapters served as a great hook. 2) The mystery. I loved all the coded messages and the traveling, and how it was almost like a big scavenger hunt. There were all these great clues to follow, but first they had to figure out what each one meant. That was really an interesting twist. 3) Nora. She was smart, intuitive, and compassionate. She was an easy main character to like. It's always refreshing to see an MC with a quick mind who is eager to use it. 4) The setting. I loved the descriptive setting of this book, especially the parts that were set in Prague. I've never been though it's on my list of top five places to visit. Even though I haven't been there, the fantastic writing and descriptions I was easily able to picture everything and see the events in my mind as they were unfolding.
What I Didn't Like: 1) Parts of the story were hard to follow. I don't know if it was because there were things I was unfamiliar with, or maybe the writing style just didn't jive with me. It's hard for me to get into a book when the story keeps getting interrupted because I don't understand or can't comprehend something. It was a little discouraging as a reader to need to re-read things, pulling myself out of the flow of the story. 2) The main guys. Max and Eli. I wanted to like them both. And there are times when you do, when you are almost there. But there is just something holding me back from liking them. Part of it was suspicion. That was good, because you are supposed to be suspicious of them. But there was just something missing from their development that kept the reader for completely falling for them.
Overall thoughts: The Book of Blood and Shadow comes with an onslaught of information that can easily leave a reader confused and discouraged. It is smart and witty, but left a little to be desired from me as the reader. I needed more connection with the characters other than Nora, and something more succinct explanations of what all was happening. There is a great hook in the beginning, but I generally found that the rest of the story did not hold up. Readers will enjoy following along with Nora as she decodes messages and follows clues to answer the murder of her friend Chris and attempt to clear her boyfriend's name. There were definitely parts that intrigued me, but overall it just wasn't for me.
The Book of Blood and Shadow is a historical-murder case-with hints of magic involve. It talks about a young girl, Nora Kane, who lost her older brother tragically. Once she enters high school the only two people who can put her back together is her two new best friends: Chris & Adriane (who eventually become a couple).Then Nora gets her own boyfriend: Max. Everything seems to be going dandy. Nora is brilliant at Latin and spends her days (alongside Max & Chris) translating. More specifically Nora is translating Elizabeth Weston's (Historical person) diary entries to her brother. Soon an unsolved mystery is unravelled that is starting to mirror Nora's life and what is happening in the late 1500's is now happening in the twenty first century. Bad things are starting to happen: Chris ends up dead. Now it up to Nora, Adriane, Max & Eli to solve Chris's murder, unravel the mystery, figure out who Nora is and put an end to what is happening. All of this leads them to Prague.
This novel has a brilliant plot concept. It part History and part magical fantasy. The author knows the past and it really shows in how she writes. It even states in her bio that she "once studied to be a historian". This isn't the authors first book. She wrote the Cold Awakening Trilogy & Chasing Yesterday Trilogy. Both of which I have not read yet, however I have on my tbr pile.
As I read the novel I got to learn of Historical people that I had never once heard about (Elizabeth Weston, Edward Kelley, ect). The author states in her afterword section that "not much is known about Elizabeth Weston's youth" and "using my (her) imagination to fill in the blanks". Which I thought was pretty cool. I got to learn about people I have never heard about. To learn more, click here!!
Robin Wasserman is an amazing author. I love her writing it is absolutely stunning. However even though the idea behind this novel was really good, I was not jumping up and down for joy about it. I did not hate it, however I did not love it either.
It is fast pace and four hundred pages will go by in a jiffy, however I thought it was too long. It could of been shorter. The problem with The Book of Blood and Shadow is it has too much information. To much details a reader has to remember. So much details that I felt the imagery for setting and minor characters got over looked. It got confusing at times and I would easily forget the slightest details and then when it was mention a hundred pages later I would be like: what??
There was too much telling then showing. I could not really get clear imagery of Prague. I just felt like a bunch of tourist names were listed off which made it hard for me to imagine them in a foreign country.
I thought the character development for Nora was brilliant. That was where this book strive. Nora's loss of her old brother was really well done and you could definitely feel her pain. You could also really see the resemblances between her and Elizabeth. The translated diary entries were practically my favourite part of the novel. They intrigue me and kept me wanting more.
The killer behind Chris's death was a little to obvious to me. It was not really hard to guess who did it. I was a bit annoyed with Nora's constant non acceptance of who could of killed Chris. However I guess if I was in that situation I would do the same.
My absolute favourite part of the whole novel was : Eli & Nora's relationship. I absolutely loved how the two interacted. The dialogue between them was brilliant and how they slowly went from strangers to friends was awesome.
Overall it was an okay read.
This is going to be a bummer review to write. It is with great sadness that I tell you I was unable to finish this book.
No matter how hard I tried, I could not get into this book. The premise had promise (a book about a book!), it's a well-respected author, and I was excited for the release. But I just couldn't do it. Could barely get to page 100, which is my standard for giving a book a solid try. Really, if you can't hook me from the very first page or chapter, it will be hard to get me later on.
So what went wrong? The writing was good enough, though I have not read anything else by Wasserman to compare it to. The characters were interesting, too, though I felt completely distanced from them right from the beginning. I think maybe there was just not enough action to start things off. The pace moved too slow. Or there wasn't enough exposition to keep me hooked on the Chris or Nora enough to care about them when there was the little bit of action that occurred. For such a lengthy book, I personally needed more to get me started than what was provided.
Has anyone else experienced this? Please let me know!
Anonymous
Posted May 25, 2012
I feel like I am going opposite of everyone else. I really enjoyed this book. Just like a lot of good books it takes a little bit before you really get into it but overall a good read. Loved the dialogue, great plot line. I was interested in the Alchemical part of it so maybe I am biased but I really enjoyed it. A little slow but overall a good read.
Was this review helpful? Yes NoThank you for your feedback. Report this reviewThank you, this review has been flagged.This is one you have to take your time with and absorb to get the full effect of. The characters were very compelling and moved the story along while the mystery kept me guessing what was going to happen next. I loved the rich history through out the novel. It's unique in its genre which could be part of why it's getting mixed reviews.
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Posted May 8, 2012
I wish I could say I loved this book. Believe me, I really wanted to. Let's start with the fact that it took me the space of 8 days to actually read the whole book. By that I meant, it took me 8 days to get through 55 odd pages. After that, I spent one day powering through.
The start was slow. I was bored from the beginning which was a bad indication. But after reading all the 5-star reviews, I just had to keep going.
I loved all the characters from the start, mostly Elizabeth - the dead girl from the letters. But as the story continued, I just wanted to shake everyone. WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THESE PEOPLE?!
I haven't read the Da Vinci Code, although this book has been compared to it many times. Religion, mystery and all that jazz? Yep, this book certainly has it. I love my history, but the way it was gilded was too much for me. There is plenty of betrayal, and a killer ending, but unfortunately it wasn't enough for me.
I wish I could write more for this review, but I really don't know what to say.
But don't take my word for it, try reading it for yourselves!
DanicaPage
Posted April 28, 2012
An enjoyable read, but one that was commonplace.
My Overall Thoughts/Impressions: First off, I'd like to thank Netgalley and the publisher for giving me the e-galley to review in exchange for my honest opinion.
I had heard a lot of really good things about this book and so I was really excited to read this one. However besides knowing that people seemed to love it, I went in not really knowing all too much about this novel.
Although I might not have enjoyed this novel quite as much as other people I know, I will say that I really enjoyed this novel and am glad I read it. Robin's writing was incredible and she created a story that drew me in from the very beginning. Fans of suspense will love this novel.
I found the premise of this novel very original and very intriguing and I will give it points for that. I also loved the character Eli, which is weird since I don't think you were supposed to. I also never like Max and I think you were supposed to...so I must conclude I'm just weird.
Anyway, I loved how Robin created her characters. They were all three dimensional and I loved reading about them. However, despite how well-written this book was, there was something missing to really make this one stand out to me. If you want to read an enjoyable book in one sitting, I wouldn't recommend this one. This one requires more of an investment, but one I think is worth it. In short, if you see this at the library, check this out you won't regret it.
In Summary: An enjoyable novel, but one that I didn't absolutely love. Well-written, but it lacked something to make this really stand out.
The Wrap-up: I enjoyed this novel and enjoyed Robin's writing style. I will definitely look into other books by this author. I didn't love this one, but it was enjoyable and I'm glad I read it.
Love,
Danica Page
ShannonODonnell
Posted April 25, 2012
This book fully lived up to its hype. Wow. The Davinci Code for teens? ABSOLUTELY. Full of mystery, murder, ancient latin letters, hidden clues, romance . . . this story will keep you turning pages right up until the end. I loved it.
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Posted April 23, 2012
In Robin Wasserman's latest young adult novel, readers are swept away into a story of intrigue, thrills, murder, betrayal, alchemy, and conspiracy five hundred years in the making. The Book of Blood and Shadow is a history-laden treasure hunt unlike anything in its genre.
When Nora Kane's older brother Andy died, she had to slip away into a new life. Her parents were closed off, and high school would never be the same again. She changed schools and made all new friends who knew nothing of her past life (for the most part). Unfortunately for her, things fell apart once again after she, her boyfriend, and best friend began to crack the code in the ancient Voynich manuscript. As her life is turned upside down, she is forced to go halfway across the world in search of truths about the distant past, her friends, and what really happened the night that her best friend was murdered.
There are few things that I love more than an author who does a lot of research. The amount of work Wasserman spent studying the settings, plot points, and historical references in the book really shines through the pages. The historical truths have been beautifully fictionalized, and my enjoyment of it overall surpassed that of Dan Brown's The Da Vinci Code. I also appreciate Wasserman detailing what is real and what is used in a purely imaginary fashion in the Afterward of the book. It made me a very happy quasi-historian.
I generally love action-packed, twisty thrillers with history filler, but I hit a few bumps while reading this. I had a hard time getting into the first person narration, which usually is not a problem for me. It may have had something to do with the huge influx of background information at the beginning of the novel. However, once I got into the swing of things, I was sucked into the story. The biggest problem that I had with the book was the majority of the second third of it. With all of the historical and geographical references and five hundred years old letters written by Elizabeth Weston, the plot dragged. It broke up the pacing of the story so much that I became disconnected from the characters both from the present, as well as the past. Fear not, because once again, the story picked right back up.
Overall, The Book of Blood and Shadow was an exciting, fun read that kept me guessing until the very end. I highly recommend this book to anyone who enjoyed National Treasure, The Da Vinci Code, and other conspiracy, treasure hunt thrillers.
Readergirl_Revus
Posted April 21, 2012
This book is being touted as a DaVinci Code-like story, and it definitely did have that same feel to it. I had some trouble getting into this book though. I think the problem, for me, was that the story just started in the wrong place. There was so much time spent with Nora and her friends, the other main players, conducting their research, which, granted, was at the heart of the central conflict. And I did get that these things really needed to be revealed in order for the rest of the story, the danger, and the conflicts to make sense, but I felt like these things could have been revealed a bit differently. I would have liked to see the story start at the moment of Chris's death. The author could have then gotten us immediately into the danger, peppering in some flashbacks, perhaps, in order to acquaint us with what's happened leading up to this scene. The way it was done though slowed things down for me more than a little.
I liked Nora as a character, and I loved Chris, but I wasn't crazy about Max or Adriane. Adriane and her attitude often really got on my nerves. My favorite part of the story was the mysterious guy that follows them to Prague. When they met him is when my interest was really captured. He was interesting, mysterious, and I knew there was more to him than we were led to believe.
One aspect I really did enjoy about the story was the treasure hunt-like clues and search. That really got me involved in the story and kept the suspense going.
All in all, after a slow start, the story eventually grabbed me and the story delivered.
A YA Da Vinci Code
The premise for this book left me dying to get my hands on it. And it did not disappoint! After I had finished it, I was left in a book stupor, my mind going through everything that I had just read.
Many have already claimed that The Book of Blood and Shadow is like The Da Vinci Code and they are right! It’s well written, well-paced and there are no gaping holes in the logic that makes you stop for a moment and scratch your head. This is a dense book and takes time to read and absorb but the payoff is amazing. It takes a new look at old myths and guides the reader on a hunt through a different country.
The author has obviously done their research, because everything—from the mythology to the foreign languages—feels real, clear and right.
While the pacing is a bit on the slow side, there is never any moment of information dumping that threatens to overwhelm the reader. I like how the history is strewn perfectly with the narrative. I also liked how Wasserman also threw in some humor, and was able to pull it off, into the story, to lighten up from all the despair and death.
I loved the protagonist, Nora. She suffers throughout the course of the novel but she doesn’t weaken under pressure. I felt that I was able to connect to her right away and feel all the grief and pain she went through throughout the whole journey.
There is a large cast of characters in The Book of Blood and Shadow, and Wasserman takes the time to develop each of them. Even the minor characters are great and fun to read about.
I loved the protagonist, Nora. She suffers throughout the course of the novel but she doesn’t weaken under pressure. I felt that I was able to connect to her right away and feel all the grief and pain she went through throughout the whole journey.
Nora’s voice is strong, relatable and her grief, while sincere, is not the kind that overwhelms you entirely; but even then she still sounds like a real teenage girl, so she isn’t going to be narrating in complicated or overly flowery prose.
Max is quiet and studious, the perfect boyfriend…but I disliked him the minute Nora says he quotes love poetry to her instead of saying his feelings in his own words. I dislike that Nora chooses to stay with him and trust him when there are clearly so many things he’s not telling her even though he claims to be. I hate even more the fact that Nora makes excuses for him. Yeah……I just didn’t like him.
The Book of Blood and Shadow is an intelligent, on the whole, well-crafted story by a skilled writer. I highly recommend this book to fans of mystery. This isn’t solely for young adults, but for fans of all ages. The story is one that will appeal to all types of readers, not just young adult ones. The mysteries will drag you in and you will find yourself unable to put this book down until you unlock every one. It’s smart, complex, and interesting—especially if you’re into history.
The book did get a bit wordy in the middle of the book at some points, but not to the point where I lost interest.
I definitely couldn’t set this book down. It was so exciting, and it really did keep me guessing until the end. I honestly wish that this was part of a series, rather than a stand-alone!! Truly Amazing.
A copy of this book was provided by the publisher through NetGalley in return for an honest review.
Where do I begin with this book? I literally could not put this book down. Any time I had a spare second - I would be reading this book. This was hands down one of the best books I've read so far this year. It's like a YA Da Vinci Code. I loved the mysterious plot that kept you guessing - there were so many twists and turns. Wasserman keeps you on your toes until the last page. The story is very well-written and is original - especially in the YA genre. The characters are complex and deep - you feel the pain and confusion that Nora goes through so easily. It was like I was inside her head - but it felt authentic, not scripted. Like the things the characters did and said would actually occur in real life - it wasn't phony at all. The story takes place in the U.S. and in Europe - which gives it a good feel of setting - especially with all the historic background that goes into the plot. The book flows really naturally and well - it's a fast-paced mystery that had me struggling to pinpoint the "bad guy" and trying to understand what could possibly be going on. Overall - READ THIS BOOK! You will not regret it.
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Overview
But the next morning, it was all still true: Chris was dead. His girlfriend Adriane, Nora's best friend, was ...