Down Among the Women

Down Among the Women

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by Fay Weldon

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'She's a queen of words' CAITLIN MORAN.

Down among the women. What a place to be!

In the Fifties, women were looked after by nice, breadwinning men: or so went the myth. Eighteen-year-old unmarried mother Scarlet, a lost child recovering from her first abortion, looks at the world with her friends and begins to see the truth.

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'She's a queen of words' CAITLIN MORAN.

Down among the women. What a place to be!

In the Fifties, women were looked after by nice, breadwinning men: or so went the myth. Eighteen-year-old unmarried mother Scarlet, a lost child recovering from her first abortion, looks at the world with her friends and begins to see the truth.

An icily funny account of a dawning feminist sensibility in a world where the romantic ideal of love and domesticity ruled.

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Down Among the Women

By Fay Weldon


Copyright © 1972 Fay Weldon
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ISBN: 978-1-4804-1248-4



Down among the women. What a place to be! Yet here we all are by accident of birth, sprouted breasts and bellies, as cyclical of nature as our timekeeper the moon—and down here among the women we have no option but to stay. So says Scarlet's mother Wanda, aged sixty-four, gritting her teeth.

On good afternoons I take the children to the park. I sit on a wooden bench while they play on the swings, or roll over and over down the hill, or mob their yet more infant victims—disporting in dog mess and inhaling the swirling vapours that compose our city air.

The children look healthy enough, says Scarlet, Wanda's brutal daughter, my friend, when I complain.

The park is a woman's place, that's Scarlet's complaint. Only when the weather gets better do the men come out. They lie semi-nude in the grass, and add the flavour of unknown possibilities to the blandness of our lives. Then sometimes Scarlet joins me on my bench.

Today the vapours are swirling pretty chill. It's just us women today. I have nothing to read. I fold the edges of my cloak around my body and consider my friends.

One can't take a step without treading on an ant, says Audrey, who abandoned her children on moral grounds, and now lives with a married man in more comfort and happiness than she has ever known before. She, once imprisoned on a poultry farm, now runs a women's magazine, bullies her lover and teases her chauffeur. How's that for the wages of sin? With her children, his children, her husband, his wife, that makes eight. Eight down and two to play, as Audrey boasts. With the chauffeur's wife creeping up on the outside to make nine.

Sylvia, of course, got into the habit of being the ant; she kept running into pathways and waiting for the boot to fall. Sylvia too ran off with a married man. The day his divorce came through he left with her best friend, and her typewriter, leaving Sylvia pregnant, penniless, and stone deaf because he'd clouted her.

How's that for a best friend? You've got to be careful, down here among the women. So says Jocelyn, respectable Jocelyn, who not so long ago pitched her middle-class voice to its maternal coo and lowered her baby into a bath of scalding water. Seven years later the scars still show; not that Jocelyn seems to notice. In any case, the boy's away at prep school most of the time.

'Better not to be here at all,' says Helen to me from the grave, poor wandering wicked Helen, rootless and uprooted, who decided in the end that death was a more natural state than life; that anything was better than ending up like the rest of us, down here among the women.

It is true that others of my women friends live quiet and happy married lives, or would claim to do so. I watch them curl up and wither gently, and without drama, like cabbages in early March which have managed to survive the rigours of winter only to succumb to the passage of time. 'We are perfectly happy,' they say. Then why do they look so sad? Is it a temporary depression scurrying in from the North Sea, a passing desolation drifting over from Russia? No, I think not. There is no escape even for them. There is nothing more glorious than to be a young girl, and there is nothing worse than to have been one.

Down here among the women: it's what we all come to.

Or, as I heard a clergyman say on television the other night, bravely facing the challenge of the times; 'There's more to life,' he said, 'more to life than a good poke.'

Wanda's flat, at the present time, is two rooms and a kitchen in Belsize Park. It won't be for long. Wanda has moved twenty-five times in the last forty years. She is sixty-four now. Rents go up and up. Not for Wanda the cheap security of a long-standing tenancy. Wanda turns her naked soul to the face of every chilly blast that's going: competes in the accommodation market with every long-haired arse-licking mother-fucking (quoting Wanda) lout that ever wanted a cheap pad.

Wanda's flat then, twenty years ago, when we begin Byzantia's story, was two rooms and a kitchen in another part of Belsize Park. Some women have music wherever they go, Wanda has green and yellow lino. Scarlet, who at this time is twenty, has been sleep-walking on this lino since she was five and last felt the tickle of wall-to-wall Axminster between her toes. That was before Wanda left her husband Kim in search of a nobler truth than comfort.

The lino used to be lifted, rolled, strung, tucked under some male arm and heaved into the removal van. Presently it cracked and folded instead of curling itself gracefully, and the male arms became impatient and scarcer, so Wanda hacked it into square tiles with a kitchen knife, and now when it's moved it goes piled, and Wanda carries it herself. Amazing how good things last. The lino belonged in the first place to Wanda's lover's wife. This lady, whose name was Millie, bravely threw it out along with the past when she discovered about Wanda and her husband Peter—Peter for short, Peterkin for affection—but depression returned, sneaking under the shiny doors (three coats best gloss, think of that, in wartime!), slithering over the new purple Wilton (pre-war stock), grasping poor Millie by the neck and squeezing until she died of an asthmatic attack.

Wanda and Scarlet are preparing for the Thursday meeting of Divorcées Anonymous. The year being 1950, a group such as this is a rarity, and its lady members the more amazed at their fate. Scarlet, in the arrogance of youth, thinks they deserve their pain—how they complain, how grey their skin, how vile and orange their lipstick. How should any man wish to remain with such miseries; why should such miseries wish to remain with any man? Scarlet is nine and a quarter months pregnant: she is heavy, but she glows, she is twenty; she has to reach out over her belly to butter the water biscuits and arrange the wedges of basic cheddar with which each is topped.

Listen, now. Wanda sings as she scours the coffee pot. This is before the days of instant coffee. She will use Lyons coffee and chicory mixture, which comes in a blue tin. Wanda is a large, heavy-boned, unpretty woman with a weathered skin, and eyes too deep and close together for their owner to be taken as anything other than troublesome. In an age when women still walk with toes pointed delicately outwards, Wanda strides ahead, and makes others nervous. Let her granddaughter Byzantia, now curled head-down inside Scarlet, be grateful. Oh fuck! cries Wanda hopefully; oh bugger! she complains, in the days when words could still be wicked, and so she helps bring about a new world.

No wonder she has no husband; no wonder the Divorcées Anonymous munch her hideous water biscuit offerings with such helpless disdain.

Listen, now. Wanda sings as she scours the coffee pot. Wanda would have looked good in uniform, but they never let her have one. When Wanda walked into this headquarters or that, and demanded her right to help her country, there would be so much shifting of weights and pressures behind closed doors that even Wanda could not persevere. Why? Because she carried a Party Card and named her child after the blood of martyrs? How could that be? Was not Russia our ally? Nevertheless, there it was. She, who would have looked so good in Air Force glory, or Wren gloss, or even A.T.S. norm, had to do without. Wanda is always having to do without. If it's not her own necessity, it's Scarlet's.

Listen, now. Wanda sings as she scours the coffee pot. Thinks herself lucky to have coffee. Millions in Europe still do not.

'Ta-ra-ra boom de-ay!
Did you have yours today?
I had mine yesterday,
That's why I walk this way—'

Scarlet is disconcerted. Scarlet is offended. Scarlet, impressed by the workings of her own body, is having a fit of sanctimonious motherhood. Scarlet believes—for this one suspended week—in love, life, mystery, meaning, sanctity. Byzantia lies very quiet and kindly allows her mother these few days of illusion. She is seven days late. Scarlet thinks she is a boy. So does Wanda.

'I know it's a boy,' said Scarlet, in the sixth month. 'But what can you possibly know about it?'

'It's a burden,' said Wanda, simpering. 'It's a boy.'

Scarlet gritted her teeth and folded herself metaphorically around her precious burden, which kindly went patter patter patter beneath her ribs. When the doctor asked her if the baby had quickened she said she didn't know. She felt something sometimes but thought it might be indigestion. He looked at her as if she was a fool, reinforcing her own opinion of herself.

Wanda sings. The coffee pot is scoured. It shines in tinny splendour, worn thin by wire wool. This is before the days of detergents for the masses. The rivers of England still flow cool, clear and sweet. The towns are filthy; they have gone twelve years without paint, but in the country the hedgerows grow green and thick, still unperverted by insecticides, and the blackberries are glorious. Wanda and Scarlet would rather die than live in the country. Wanda tells horror stories of the fate of women who have done so.

'Don't sing that,' says Scarlet.

'Poor little Scarlet,' says Wanda, 'poor baby. Did it have a nasty rude Mummy then?'


'Opportunity would be a fine thing,' says Wanda. 'Breathes there the man with soul so dead who would not kick your mother out of bed?' She is unkind to herself. At forty-four she is at her most handsome: little men like her. She does not like little men. She waits, and will wait for ever for a tall handsome bully who will penetrate her secret depths.

'Can't stand men with little cocks,' she cries, but what she means is, if only there was someone who would stay long enough to listen, go deep enough to touch my secret painful places, so I would feel again I was alive.

And how is Scarlet to know this? Scarlet sees a rude, crude mother. Scarlet scowls.

'What kind of mother are you anyway?' she asks.

'Bad,' replies Wanda, with satisfaction, and Scarlet moans in outrage. Wanda is egged on. She sings again.

'Ta-ra-ra boom de-ay,
Have you had yours today?
I had mine yesterday,
That's why I walk this way.'

'I feel sick,' says Scarlet. Her face has altogether lost its look of cosmic satisfaction; it nods mean and crabbed on top of her swollen body. She slices radishes stolidly in half, instead of bothering to carve them into the pretty flower shapes she normally makes.

'Good,' says Wanda.

Scarlet's eyelids droop lower. She's in a full-scale sulk. Nothing annoys her mother more. Scarlet has a round smooth face; her mother thinks she looks half-witted; certainly the more angry and miserable she becomes, the more stolid she appears.

'Pull yourself together,' says her mother sharply. 'Don't look like that.'

'Look like what?' Scarlet drawls.

'Like I'll have to support you for the rest of my life, let alone your bloody bastard.'

'Every harsh word you speak,' says Scarlet, 'goes flying off into infinity, to bear witness against you.'

Wanda can't bear such statements. Scarlet has become very good at making them. Wanda sings again.

'Please,' says Scarlet. 'Or you'll bring it on.'

'What else do you think I'm trying to do?' asks Wanda. 'Their brains get short of oxygen if they're overdue, don't you even know that? Yours will need all the I.Q. points it can muster, I imagine. I am doing you a favour. Shall I tell you the story of the milkman, the lady, and the letter-box?'

'No,' says Scarlet.

Wanda tells the story.

'There was once a randy young milkman,' says Wanda, 'who was accustomed to calling on a certain lady at seven in the morning, when he was half-way through his delivery round. The lady's husband was on night duty. For a time all went well, in fact so well that the milkman, reluctant to miss a second of his precious time, would unzip himself as he ran up the garden path. He would then thrust his you know what through the letter-box so that she wouldn't mistake him for another and open the door, all naked and waiting, to some stranger. One day, alas, the door was opened not by her, but by none other than her husband. Was the milkman taken aback? Only for a second. 'If you don't pay your fucking bill,' cried the milkman, 'I'll piss all over you.'

Scarlet doesn't even smile. Wanda feels depressed. The coffee pot is boiling. She turns it upside down to filter it through; something inside goes wrong and boiling coffee bubbles over her hands. Wanda, stoical to the point of mania, does not scream or even complain, but holds her poor red hand under the tap.

'I wish you'd grow old gracefully,' says Scarlet presently.

'I wish you'd grow old,' says Wanda, with bitterness. 'I wish you'd grow old and see what it's like.'

'You're not old,' says Scarlet with unexpected kindness. Perhaps she is touched by her own good nature. At any rate she starts to cry.

'What's the matter with you?' asks Wanda, surprised. She can't bear to see Scarlet cry. She thinks it might start her off too, and Wanda hasn't cried since the day before she left Kim, Scarlet's father, back in 1935.

So Wanda sings, sweetly, as a benison, the mellifluous notes of Brahms' Lullaby.

'Hush, my little one, sleep,
Fond vigil I keep,
Lie warm in thy nest
By moonbeams caressed—'

Scarlet stops crying. She thinks perhaps Wanda means it. Something shifts in her universe. Cog wheels unlock, re-lock. The universe continues, but differently. What is happening? Her baby turning, unlocking? The waters shifting, slopping, heaving? No, it is the fact that Wanda is being sentimental.

Scarlet gapes.

'Shut your mouth, for God's sake,' says Wanda, and Scarlet obligingly closes it, for she has seen a tear in Wanda's eye and is frightened. Wanda, of course, has no mascara to run. Wanda wears brilliant lipstick, to give more shape and vehemence to her words, but otherwise has no time for make-up, which she sees as cowardice. It is a pure and leathery cheek which the tear runs down, and still only forty-odd years since she was born so tender, smooth and throbbing.

'I wish,' says Wanda hopelessly, 'I wish things didn't have to be the way they are. Why did you have to go and do it?'

It is as well the bell rings, because Scarlet is feeling quite sick from insecurity. She can bear her mother's anger, spite and indifference, and can return them in kind, but she cannot bear her mother to be unhappy.

It is the first of the ladies. A brave one this, in dirndl skirt and peasant blouse, with dangly ear-rings and bright eyes. Lottie. She ran off with a lover who ran off from her, and her husband wouldn't have her back. And why, as she herself says, the hell should he? Poor lady, poor brave Lottie, she died of cancer two years later, drifting painfully into nothingness in a hospital bed. She wrote to tell her husband she was ill, but he didn't come to visit her. Well, why the hell should he? Thrown-away spouses, says Wanda, lying, are like thrown-away trousers, soon forgotten. You have killed them in your mind: their real death is irrelevant.

This evening at any rate Lottie is happy, excited and animated. She puts on the gramophone; embraces Scarlet and tells her generously that she's a good brave girl and that she personally thinks unmarried mothers are to be pitied not blamed. She tells Wanda life begins at forty. She munches the water biscuits without noticeably wincing and drinks her coffee gratefully; tells Wanda about a good job in the Civil Service she has managed to land, untrained though she is, and announces that she is looking forward to a happy future without men.

Poor Lottie.

She has come early, she says, to get in her message of good cheer before the others arrive and swamp her good spirits.

She is quite right. They swarm into the tiny room like a tide of despair. Scarlet goes to bed. They regard her, and she knows it, as Wanda's cross.


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Weldon's work includes more than twenty novels, five collections of short stories, several children's books, nonfiction books, magazine articles, and a number of plays written for television, radio, and the stage. She was awarded a CBE in 2001.

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Down Among the Women 2.5 out of 5 based on 0 ratings. 2 reviews.
Anonymous More than 1 year ago
This book was written in the 70's and describes pre-feminist lives of women who defined themselves only through their relationships with men. It was tedious, repetitive, deary and difficult to plod through. I would not recommend it.
FleurPourToi00 More than 1 year ago
Down Among the Women is fascinating on multiple levels. First and foremost, the characters are realistic, something that didn't exist in stories before this novel was written. Never before has one been able to completely relate to a character on such level field. The trials and tribulations these women go through are ones many people have, and the guts it takes to write said stories is commendable. As well as interesting characters though, Fay Weldon also has an absolutely fascinating style of writing. She'll bring you into the story, than back up and give some narration. All of the sudden, there's a list thrown into the mix, or a side comment... all of which serve to bring the reader even more into the text. Her diction is intelligent, but not at such a high level where it's hard to understand. The tone fits the story really well, but also adds an edge of humor, which is well received. We are, as mentioned, presented with multiple stories, but all of which fit into one larger plot. If a reader doesn't particularly relate with Helen for example, he/she can relate with the shy and sensitive Silvia. Or perhaps the posh, yet kind Jocelyn? Outgoing and clever Audrey? Whatever it is, these women who go through both happy and sad moments as well as moments of revelation and epiphany bring you into their lives, and you leave with strong feelings. Finally, one must give Weldon credit. For being a pioneer in realistic feminism, and for showing the world something other than a princess or stay-at-home mom. For showing real women, for portraying actual problems, situations, triumphs, accomplishments, hopes and fears. In conclusion, Down Among the Women was an amazing book. This reviewer had a wonderful time walking with these women, and would highly recommend the text to anyone looking for a good read and expanded horizons.