Rob Neyer's Big Book of Baseball Lineups: A Complete Guide to the Best, Worst, and Most Memorable Players to Ever Grace the Major Leagues

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You love to argue about the game and its players, delving into baseball history and lore in search of support for your points of view. You'll find plenty of food for thought -- and argument! -- in Rob Neyer's Big Book of Baseball Lineups.

• All-time Red Sox starting pitcher -- Pedro or the Rocket?
• Gold Glovers -- who looked like one, who was one, and who ought to have been one?
• Lopsided trades that'll sting forever, and phenoms who seemed so real
• Classic nicknames -- from ...

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Overview

You love to argue about the game and its players, delving into baseball history and lore in search of support for your points of view. You'll find plenty of food for thought -- and argument! -- in Rob Neyer's Big Book of Baseball Lineups.

• All-time Red Sox starting pitcher -- Pedro or the Rocket?
• Gold Glovers -- who looked like one, who was one, and who ought to have been one?
• Lopsided trades that'll sting forever, and phenoms who seemed so real
• Classic nicknames -- from "Charlie Hustle" to "Big Hurt" to "The Mad Hungarian"

Neyer presents a series of lineups for each franchise -- from the All-Time and the All-Rookie to the All-Bust and the Traded Away. In notes, sidebars, and essays, he explores the careers of players both famous and obscure. The book includes information on all thirty current teams, as well as a special section covering legendary clubs like the Brooklyn Dodgers and Washington Senators. Neyer's Big Book is an unparalleled reference for settling the debates that arise every day in the lives of baseball fans.

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Editorial Reviews

From the Publisher
"Rob Neyer is the best of the new generation of sportswriters. He knows baseball history like a child knows his piggy bank. He knows how to pick it up and shake it and make what he needs fall out." - Bill James

"You will argue with some of Rob's picks, and you will provoke many an argument with your baseball friends, but you will not be able to put this thought-provoking book down." - Jon Miller, ESPN's Sunday Night Baseball

"Rob Neyer's Big Book of Baseball Lineups is about baseball history, but Neyer's brand of cutting-edge analysis and objective evaluation is influencing baseball today." - Billy Beane

"Rob Neyer is one of those writers who can make his subject more interesting than anyone ever imagined it could be. He has written a delightful book for ardent baseball fans, but even people with a casual interest in baseball will find something to think about here." - Michael Lewis, author of Liar's Poker and Moneyball

"Mantle or DiMaggio? Spahn or Maddux? Terry or McCovey? Don't guess — read Neyer's book and learn the answers. In these pages, it's production (not nostalgia) that matters, and the result is a cogent parsing of baseball's all-time greats (and worsts)." - Joshua Prager, The Wall Street Journal

Publishers Weekly
The title says it all: by compiling lists of players in a baseball "lineup" format, the author, an ESPN.com columnist, manages to catalogue the game's all-time greats-and all-time bums. In the process, he also creates a kind of capsule history of every major league team. The secret is in the categories: along with the "All-Time" bests of each club, the book also includes such lineups as All-Rookie, All-Defensive, All-Traded Away (players who became great after their original team got rid of them), and All-Bust (players who never came close to living up to the hype). And because not even diehard fans can live on lineups alone, Neyer has also packed his pages with little sidebar essays, ranging from analytical (in which he explains how he chose Mickey Mantle over Joe DiMaggio as All-Time Yankees center fielder) to eye-opening (in which Reggie Jackson tells how his ASU coach warned him that the New York Mets would shy away from drafting him because he had a white girlfriend) to puzzling (Neyer suggests that the Chicago Cubs should have kept Rafael Palmeiro instead of Mark Grace to play first base-on the same page that he lists Grace as the Cubs' All-Time first baseman). It may be a book of lineups, but these colorful sidebars supply most of the real conversation pieces. This volume wouldn't be nearly as hard to put down without them. (June) Copyright 2003 Reed Business Information.
Library Journal
Fans will love this book, which was written by ESPN.com baseball columnist Neyer (Baseball Dynasties). This thought-provoking read offers Neyer's perspective on both famous and obscure ballplayers, as well as teams both storied and forgettable. In each section, Neyer organizes teams into a number of categories and recombined lineups that include all-time team, runner-up team, single-season team, all-rookies team, all-homegrown team, all-traded-away team, all-defense team, all-bust team, all-used-to-be team, iron-glove (i.e., clumsy-fielding) team, and all-name team. Neyer compares players with their teammates and with their equivalents across eras, using statistics to determine who had more impact for a particular squad. For example, Lou Gehrig (1923-39) and Don Mattingly (1982-95) both played first base for the New York Yankees. But which was the more valuable? The reference includes sidebars, essays, a detailed appendix of teams by position, an index, and notes on the sources utilized in compiling this offbeat study. As funny as it is opinionated, this book is certainly a worthy purchase for all baseball collections.-Larry R. Little, Penticton P.L., B.C. Copyright 2003 Reed Business Information.
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Product Details

  • ISBN-13: 9780743241748
  • Publisher: Touchstone
  • Publication date: 6/2/2003
  • Edition description: Original
  • Pages: 352
  • Sales rank: 712,986
  • Product dimensions: 7.40 (w) x 9.10 (h) x 0.80 (d)

Meet the Author

Rob Neyer has written about baseball for ESPN.com since 1996 and appears regularly on ESPNews. He has written four baseball books, including The Neyer/James Guide to Pitchers (with Bill James) and Rob Neyer's Big Book of Baseball Lineups. His website, www.robneyer.com, contains additional material related to this and his other books.

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Introduction

Some of you may prefer to skip these next few pages. Just dive right in. And I wouldn't blame you for a Manhattan minute.

But my editor's a pretty sharp guy — more on him in the acknowledgments — and he thinks that all sorts of baseball fans will wind up with this book in their hands. He also thinks that this introduction should speak to all of those different sorts, from the casual fan to the SABR (Society for American Baseball Research) member who spends much of his spare time poring over microfilm of baseball's early history.

If you are a casual fan — maybe you'd never heard of this Rob Neyer character until now, or never read a baseball book — my advice is to start with your favorite team and enjoy the memories. When you see who I've picked as the franchise's worst defensive third baseman, close your eyes and try to see him at the hot corner, a ball bouncing off his chest or his throw sailing into the stands behind first base. Of course, if I picked some guy who last played in 1914, you're probably going to have a tough time with this particular exercise. But you get the point. My hope is that even if your interest doesn't range far afield from your favorite team, you'll find some names that evoke fond memories. Or even not so fond, because those have their place, too.

I suppose if this book has a target audience, it's the fans who are not obsessed (like I am) with baseball, but who check the standings every day in August, enjoy a trip to the ballpark more than a few times a year, and probably have played Rotisserie or tabletop baseball at some point. You probably watch Baseball Tonight, and you think Peter Gammons is something close to God.

You're the sort of fan who has to buy this book if it's going to sell, because there are a lot of you out there. Millions of you.

And if you're one of those SABR guys — or rather, if you're one of us SABR guys, because of course I'm one, too — then I suspect you'll find something to argue about on virtually every page.

Chuck Tanner once said, "Baseball's just an opinion." I disagree with Tanner, because reducing something to "opinion" means that there's no right answer, and if I didn't think there were right answers, I wouldn't have bothered with this book. That said, I'm certainly aware that all of my answers aren't right, and you're going to become aware of that, too. I'm pretty easy to reach, so if you want to argue about something, I'll be ready. I'll be posting some of these arguments at www.robneyer.com, and if I'm lucky enough to publish another edition of this book someday, I'm sure I'll have a long list of new people to thank.

Why did I write this book, and what's in it?

I wrote it because I wanted to read it, and what's in it is just about everything that I could think to put in it.

Not specific enough? Okay.

You want books that rate players? No problem. There are enough to stock a good-sized bookcase. The "problem" is that all the players in all those books are compared to each other. I mean, there are certainly plenty of good reasons to compare Lou Gehrig to Jimmie Foxx, or Eddie Collins to Joe Morgan. There are plenty of books that do this well, and I probably own all of them. But there's another kind of book that nobody's written, a book that compares Lou Gehrig to Don Mattingly, and Eddie Collins to Nellie Fox. When you tell the story of baseball, as often as not you're telling the story of the teams, and so I figured there must be room in the bookcase for one book that compares players to their teammates.

And that's what this is. You'll have to look elsewhere if you want to know who was better, Gehrig or Foxx. But if you want to know who played better for the White Sox, Collins or Fox...well, you've come to the right place.

What's in it? Every team that's been around since at least 1977 gets the full treatment. What's the full treatment? An all-time team, a runner-up team, a single-season team, an all-rookie team, an all-homegrown team, an all-traded-away team, an all-defense team, an all-lousy-defense team, an all-bust team, and an all-used-to-be-great team. Most of the time, the full treatment also includes an all-nickname team. These various teams are accompanied by text sidebars, and each chapter concludes with a longer essay (more about the sidebars and essays later).

The four most recent expansion teams get something less than the full treatment, simply because there's not as much material to work with.

There is also some variation in format among franchises that have moved. In a few cases, where the franchise's first home didn't last long, I considered both homes in one chapter. The only notable instance is with the Rangers, who spent more than a decade in Washington before moving to Arlington. One could certainly make a case for not combining them, but the fact is that the great majority of the franchise's interesting players have played in Texas. So there wasn't a lot to be gained by considering the Rangers alone, and then doing a separate chapter on the franchise's entire history.

That is, however, what I did with six other franchises: the Athletics, Braves, Dodgers, Giants, Orioles, and Twins. In the chapters on the other twenty-four franchises, I also included a list of great seasons and great managers. For these six, I held off on the great seasons and great managers until the chapter on the entire franchise. Got that? This will make sense once you actually see it all laid out.

THE TEAMS: I was pretty strict about picking a left fielder, a center fielder, and a right fielder for each lineup, as opposed to simply picking three outfielders. A couple of years ago, the Boston Globe published the All-Centennial Red Sox team, as selected by the newspaper's readers. The three outfielders? Ted Williams, Carl Yastrzemski, and Jim Rice. Three left fielders.

To me, that's not a team. It's a collection of talent. Which is fine, but I think teams are more interesting than collections of talent. So I don't care how good somebody is; if he was a left fielder, I'm not going to slot him in right.

One big question was, how much is enough? What's better, one great year or three good ones? Three great years, or six good ones? Six great years, or twelve good ones? I didn't answer these questions with any sort of precision. I did decide that for a player to be considered for a franchise's Number One or Number Two team, he had to have spent at least three seasons with the club (I often broke this rule for designated hitters, as few players spend more than a season or two in that role with the same team). And I generally came down on the side of excellence. Three great seasons are better than six good ones...but not necessarily better than nine good ones.

When filling out the Homegrown lineup, I considered only players who got their professional start (or very nearly) with the team in question. So while Joe DiMaggio never belonged to a major-league franchise other than the Yankees, I don't consider him "homegrown," as he was the property of the San Francisco Seals for about three years before the Yankees paid the Seals $25,000 (and five forgotten players) for his contract.

That's an easy case. However, the professional origins of many pre-1950 players are murky, and when I was unable to make a clear (or nearly clear) determination, I erred on the side of caution.

When filling out the Traded-Away lineup, I considered what the players did after the deal. That is to say, I wasn't interested in how good a player had been, but rather in how good he would be. My source for the dates of most pre-1984 trades was Joe Reichler's Baseball Trade Register (Macmillan, 1984). For trades since then, I relied on various editions of The Sporting News Baseball Register.

When determining the value of the players — and of course, most of the book is about the value of the players — I relied on both the readily available statistics and Bill James's Win Shares, which were published in his book Win Shares (STATS Publishing, 2002). Though I rarely mention Win Shares anywhere in the book but here, I consulted them often, especially when making the tough calls (and there were a lot of them). While my reliance on Win Shares has undoubtedly led to some mistakes on my part, I'm certain that I'd have made far more mistakes if I had not relied on Win Shares to the extent that I did.

THE TIMES: I chose to start this little exercise with the twentieth century. I could list a number of reasons why, but if you're a fan of the nineteenth century, my reasons would ring hollow. If it's any consolation, I suspect that my decision had only a tiny effect on who actually got into the book. And if it's any further consolation, I'll take a look, on my Web site, at who did get left out.

THE SIDEBARS: Within each team chapter are a number of sidebars, which are intended to illuminate the short notes that accompany the listed players. When deciding what to write about, my rule was, "Will my ideal reader already know this?" And if the answer was yes, then I tried to think of something else to write about. So, within the Yankees chapter, you're not going to find an essay on what set Babe Ruth apart from his contemporaries, or about how great DiMaggio was in center field, because I figure you already know about Ruth and DiMaggio. What you will find is a short essay about the defensive greatness of third baseman Clete Boyer, because he's been largely forgotten due to his contemporary, Brooks Robinson.

THE ESSAYS: At the end of each chapter is a longer essay, in which I wrote about whatever struck my fancy. The only rule was that there weren't any rules.

THE REGULARS: After the teams are...right, more teams. Actually, they're the same teams, but presented far differently. I thought it would be fun to see the regulars for each franchise, position by position, year by year, in a huge chart. So that's what we did, and we've presented them in a fashion that's supposed to make it easy to evaluate the stability, or lack thereof, for each franchise at each position over the years.

Otherwise, they're unadorned. But I think you'll find these listings interesting if you take the time, and I'll probably be doing the same.

SOURCES: There were hundreds of them, too many to list here. My primary source for statistics was The All-Time Baseball Handbook (STATS, Inc., 2000), because that tome uses the official definition of on-base percentage. My sources for the lists of regulars for each franchise were Total Baseball and The Sports Encyclopedia: Baseball.

The Web site Retrosheet.org was immensely helpful in a number of ways, and Baseball-Reference.com was exceptionally useful for finding statistics for players with particular teams....Wait a minute. That's not strong enough. Without Baseball-Reference.com, I would have missed my deadline by six months rather than three. So, thank you, Sean Foreman (and one of these days, all that hard work's going to make you rich).

For information on nicknames, I consulted Don Zminda's From Abba Dabba to Zorro: The World of Baseball Nicknames (STATS Publishing, 1999) and James K. Skipper's Baseball Nicknames: A Dictionary of Origins and Meanings (McFarland & Co., 1992). The latter of those books is out of print and extremely difficult to find, and I'm indescribably grateful to John Skipper for loaning me a copy of his late brother's masterpiece.

At the end of each chapter, I list sources that were particularly helpful with that particular team.

Okay, now you can dive in.

Copyright © 2003 by Rob Neyer

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Table of Contents

Contents

Introduction

Part One: Today's Thirty

Anaheim Angels

Arizona Diamondbacks

Atlanta Braves

Baltimore Orioles

Boston Red Sox

Chicago Cubs

Chicago White Sox

Cincinnati Reds

Cleveland Indians

Colorado Rockies

Detroit Tigers

Florida Marlins

Houston Astros

Kansas City Royals

Los Angeles Dodgers

Milwaukee Brewers

Minnesota Twins

Montreal Expos

New York Mets

New York Yankees

Oakland Athletics

Philadelphia Phillies

Pittsburgh Pirates

St. Louis Cardinals

San Diego Padres

San Francisco Giants

Seattle Mariners

Tampa Bay Devil Rays

Texas Rangers

Toronto Blue Jays

Part Two: Yesterday's Six

Philadelphia/Kansas City/Oakland Athletics

Boston/Milwaukee/Atlanta Braves

St. Louis Browns/Baltimore Orioles

Brooklyn/Los Angeles Dodgers

New York/San Francisco Giants

Washington Senators/Minnesota Twins

Appendix: Year-by-year lineups

Appendix

Acknowledgments

Index

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  • Anonymous

    Posted July 19, 2003

    In-Depth, but lacks pizzaz

    A very solid 'read', but seems that you have to know a lot about past players. This book digs deep into history and may be boring for younger fans. An excellent compilation on the whole however.

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  • Anonymous

    Posted May 28, 2003

    Awesome Book!

    While this book may not be the 'definitive reference' for 'all-time lineups,' Neyer's arguments for all different lineups make a great deal of sense and at times are very informative, hilarious/intriguing, and thought-provoking, sometimes all at the same time. It's clear Neyer put a lot of research and work into this book. And too with each team, he offers vignettes about them. For example, why the Washington Senators were not really as bad over their history as everyone paints them out to be. Or the story of star-crossed pitcher David Clyde of the Texas Rangers, or how the Padres in their expansion draft wound up with only one ex-Dodger of any value (even with an ex-Dodger GM running the draft). He also presents arguments about certain underrated players. A good example is why Bert Blyleven should be in the HOF, pointing out he wound up playing for a number of subpar teams; another example is ex Blue Jays pitcher Dave Stieb was a much better pitcher than has been generally regarded. One thing about baseball of course is that it's statistic riddled (more so than other major sports) and that certain surroundings (hitter's vs pitcher's ballpark, playing for a winning or losing team) can unfairly affect certain stats, a great point Neyer makes throughout the book at various points. And oh yes the lineups. Neyer takes what he feels is each team's best lineup (with some times, he has an alternate all-time team), along with 'all-rookie,' 'gold glove,' 'iron glove,' 'best single season lineup,' 'used to be great,' 'all-bust' team and so on. You may not always agree with his picks, but again you have to respect the amount of work he's put into this book. And too some of his choices are fascinating. Yes the superstars tend to dominate the lineups, but occasionally a less well-known player gets credit where credit is due. And that goes for ALL the different lineups, even the ones most players would probably not want to be remembered for. This is an excellent book, one that any fan, casual or 'baseball junkie' is going to enjoy.

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  • Anonymous

    Posted June 15, 2003

    Rob Neyer Hits Another Home Run

    Rob Neyer knows baseball. It is rare to see someone who can meld a keen understanding of sabermetrics and an ability to entertain. The concept for the book is an interesting one and Neyer pulls it off nicely.

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