Swimming With The Whale: Teaching and Practices of Daskalos & The Researchers of Truth

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  • ISBN-13: 9781477139707
  • Publisher: Xlibris Corporation
  • Publication date: 8/3/2012
  • Pages: 284
  • Product dimensions: 6.00 (w) x 9.00 (h) x 0.75 (d)

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  • Anonymous

    Posted December 5, 2012

    The object of metaphysical service is to facilitate the spiritua

    The object of metaphysical service is to facilitate the spiritual growth of humanity. This principle is constantly being violated, however. Unaware of spiritual values and purposes, psychics simply deliver goods that in the long run stall the evolution of man. Their services do not promote spiritual unfoldment or the manifestation of the Christ Consciousness. In this they are no different from those who implement the practices of hedonism and materialism.
    It may be true that some individuals possess a certain psychic ability, however, they often use this as a blatant argument that they possess other "powers" as well. They often exaggerate and brag much and make bombastic statements such as celebrities or governmental people constantly make use of their services, or that they have long studied overseas in Tibet or in India . . . Whether true or not, such statements are egoistic and unprofessional and it is easy to see the stratagem behind these proclamations. Their intentions and machinations are clear as daylight to those who have eyes to see.
    One of the most apparent signs that may indicate falseness on the part of pseudo-psychics is their use of fancy titles that is supposed to reveal their "spiritual" standing. All sorts of high-sounding titles are used to impress the public concerning their so-called spiritual status or the many "powers" that they are supposed to possess. Sometimes these titles are legitimate, but most often they are self-given or "purchased." And even though legitimately and officially given by honorable men or by metaphysical/spiritual/academic institutions, these titles from the spiritual standpoint are just empty labels without any spiritual value. We know a thing by its character and expression, not by its label. With the possession of titles, psychic frauds promote themselves hoping to dupe and exploit the gullible public. The love for titles simply show an egoistic tendency and self-centeredness--a glamorous condition that the disciple of the spiritual path should not be dragged into. The lower nature of man enjoys the glamour of being at the center stage, or in the limelight. Needless to say, metaphysical self-deceivers enjoy promoting their physical image by placing their photographs excessively in books, magazines and advertisements. People with such a personal and egoistic trait seek to control and manipulate others, usually the motive is to instill fear and the acquisition of fame and fortune; and their services to others simply benefit their client's or "patient's" earthly natures. What psychics are not conscious of is that most of their services and wares do not promote spiritual evolution--they neither liberate nor cause enlightenment--which are important goals in the higher aspects of metaphysics. It is factually true that being in this world one should strive to improve it; it is also vitally important for us to transcend our earthly condition--our personality, our earthly desires, and our dualistic, delusive thinking.

    6 out of 7 people found this review helpful.

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  • Anonymous

    Posted December 5, 2012

    Dr. Stylianos Atteshlis aka Daskalos once spoke about spiritual

    Dr. Stylianos Atteshlis aka Daskalos once spoke about spiritual wisdom and said it was a gift to be used for the greater good. A PRIVILEGE.. But these things have turned some spiritual healers into something else. The battle of good vs. evil is never-ending because evil always survives with the help of evil men. Real spiritual teachers lead by example and know that it's the choices that make us who we are, and we can always choose to do what's right. Sometimes, to do what's right; spiritual healers have to find balance and give up the things they desire the most, their own dreams for fame and fortune. Only then will the world know the truth that even one person can make a difference. Some say that God's mercy is infinite and all we have to do is ask? But when everything has been taken from you; you don't ask for mercy. We want Justice. It takes a lot of strength to forgive. Some deserve forgiveness, some don't. Forgiveness is up to the one who bears the choice.

    It is very important to keep in mind that our motivation and intent must be pure. This creation is to be a humble prayer offered from one fellow human being to another. Never are we allowed to impose our will on others or to manipulate and interfere with their free will. You can never be an egoist and know how to love properly. Something else. Evil is destroying evil. Goodness is strengthening goodness. Now, choose in which side you go.- Dr Stylianos Atteshlis

    Many spiritual healers no longer observe the vision nor hear the language that has been associated with words like humility, purity of heart, contrition. They no longer follow what the early Fathers called Attention in Oneself (Know thyself)

    6 out of 7 people found this review helpful.

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  • Posted December 5, 2012

    Daskalos: Something else I want just to point out. Please, the l

    Daskalos: Something else I want just to point out. Please, the lessons are not for sale. Do I charge anything for the lessons I am giving you? Do you give anything? No.
    Also, the treatment of these people is not for gain. We don't charge anything for the treatment or for the lessons. Which means: I allow you to get this lesson on tapes (& transcriptions) . Some, in the past, were copying the tapes and selling them. Please, I don't like that.
    If you have the tapes and certain friends, and you want them to hear them, invite them to your home; or, if you trust them to give them. Good. Yet, if they want to copy them, copy it for them - for the real Seekers of the Truth. But, don't copy these tapes (& transcriptions) and sell them. Please, because, these things have happened in the past.
    St. Matthew writes in his Gospel, "You receive without cost; give without charge (10:8)". The gifts from God are rich and plentiful. In our labors to awaken this world to God's light we should refrain from taking any material gain. ~ DASKALOS - Nicosia Cyprus
    Daskalos' teachings and his legacy were left in the hands of his daughter, Panayiota including some self-seeking individuals rooted in greed and the desire for monetary gain.

    6 out of 7 people found this review helpful.

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  • Anonymous

    Posted December 5, 2012

    FRAUDS IN THE METAPHYSICAL FIELD This is an important subject t

    FRAUDS IN THE METAPHYSICAL FIELD
    This is an important subject to address for like in every field of human endeavor, the metaphysical branch has its charlatans, scoundrels, and manipulators who are ever ready and eager to mislead the earnest seeker of Truth. Students of metaphysics as well as laymen should understand the difference between true spiritual metaphysicians and scoundrels assuming the title. Disciples of the Spirit should be able to discern between metaphysical practices and services of spiritual worth and those objectionable operations of pseudo-metaphysicians that simply mislead the human soul. Too often paranormal practices are erroneously considered as "spiritual."
    The metaphysical path is fraught with many temptations, glamour and illusions, and one could easily fall into the contrived traps of Maya and the Dark forces. Because of the rapid growth of the metaphysical, holistic, and paranormal fields in recent years there have been many unscrupulous individuals entering the profession promoting and advertising themselves excessively hoping to take financial advantage of the public's interest, curiosity, enthusiasm and ignorance. Most of these people--these frauds--will cheat, lie, deceive, promise you anything that you will want to hear, and please you in order to grab your hard-earned cash. They even go so far as to indulge in immoral practices such as sexual molestation and rape under the pretext of transferring magical power. Often they would resort to stage magic and tricks to mislead one's senses into believing their "extraordinary" powers and faculties. Even the genuine psychics possessing some power and ability would over-exaggerate the little knowledge or talent that they have. Should they master a single metaphysical art, such as clairvoyance, for instance, they would go so far as to say that they possess the other psychic abilities as well. One should be wary of the persuasive tongue of so-called psychics and metaphysicians. If these spiritual con-men did not involve themselves in the metaphysical field, they would enter any other field with the same hidden despicable motive of self-aggrandizement and ego-promotion.
    A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, and so-called paranormals are quick to establish themselves as metaphysicians or experts in the psychic/parapsychological/magickal field who actually know very little or have acquired very little metaphysical learning, training and experience. Most psychics read a few books on metaphysics and adopt its associated terms and terminology without a profound understanding of what they truly mean. Students of metaphysics often fall into such glamour as well. They may have read a few books, attended a few seminars or workshops, or even studied under a few Gurus and yet with the little that they acquire, they feel themselves to be knowledgeable in all aspects of metaphysics, and subsequently, they often express spiritual and mental pride. They may even feel disdainful or look condescendingly upon a genuine Guru should they perchance come across one. Ignorant of the characteristics of a true Spiritual Master or Adept, they simply follow those who vainly display unusual powers and knowledge, or those that offer them the instant transference of occult knowledge and the awakening of the serpent power. These students of metaphysics are more seekers of sensation than seekers of God or Truth. The writer of this work have personally read countless books on metaphysics, studied metaphysical teachings of various schools and yet, still feels that he knows so little. Even worst than this, he has come to realize how ignorant he really is from the Cosmic point of view and that there is still so much to learn about the Omniverse. He has come to realize that a question answered only gives rise to several more questions that needs to be answered, ad infinitum. To be knowledgeable of one's ignorance is positive but to be ignorant of one's ignorance is negative and blind.
    Thus, having said all of the above, it should be realized that professional metaphysical con-men are generally individuals who present themselves as persons whom you would least expect to be frauds.

    5 out of 6 people found this review helpful.

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  • Posted December 5, 2012

    Researchers of Truth members have long forgotten Daskalos¿ m

    Researchers of Truth members have long forgotten Daskalos’ moral teachings leaving behind victims of their esoteric attacks created by the healers themselves through elementals or illusory manifestations that these so-called practitioners intuitively create. Kyriacos C. Markides had initially written three books portraying Daskalos and his disciple healers (trained inner circle members) as helping their sufferers but perhaps these so-called spiritual healers can also choose to become elite creators of chaos. The group circles have lost their way since the founder Stylianos Atteshlis aka Daskalos’ passing in 1995 and found a way to make money off the people they heal as the sufferer remains unaware that their healer was in fact the creator of their suffering.

    5 out of 5 people found this review helpful.

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  • Anonymous

    Posted December 5, 2012

    Every book should have an aim that can be summed up in a single

    Every book should have an aim that can be summed up in a single sentence.

    5 out of 6 people found this review helpful.

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  • Anonymous

    Posted December 5, 2012

    It would be wise to be armed with the knowledge of the reality u

    It would be wise to be armed with the knowledge of the reality underlying the many psychic frauds and pseudo-metaphysical practices that violates the Law of Harmlessness and deceive sincere persons and which eventually causes stagnation to their soul-growth in their evolutionary journey toward perfection. The ignorance of the masses are taken advantage of by pseudo-psychics and metaphysicians and it would be helpful to combat this situation by enlightening those who regularly make use of, or plan to make use of the services of people involved in the metaphysical field, and who call themselves "spiritual teachers," "psychics," "shamans," "paranormals," or "metaphysicians." Every bona fide metaphysician and the average person on the street should be aware of the true facts and nature of the deceptive and glamorous metaphysical practices filled with sensation and designed only to satisfy human curiosity without properly considering the real needs of the unfolding soul. Persons who are unaware of fraudulent practices and are victims of these metaphysical deceivers may find themselves getting nothing of true worth, aside from the exorcism of their pocket of their hard-earned monthly wage.
    Deception may be apparent or it may be subtle. To the discerning person the deceptive methods, both apparent and subtle of pseudo-metaphysicians and psychics can be seen and felt in their mannerism, the way they speak, the way they behave, the demands that they make, the way they present themselves, and the general energy that they radiate. These are all keys revealing the negative nature hiding beneath their pretensions. It is said, by the fruit we shall know the tree and this is a truism especially in the metaphysical field. Professional metaphysicians who are psychically and spiritually developed and knowledgeable, may detect these pretenders to metaphysical knowledge, wisdom and power through spiritual, rational, and psychic means. The spiritual disciple should learn as much as possible how to discern the true from the false so that they may lead others from darkness to Light.
    Most of the modern psychic deceivers will make excessive use of metaphysical terminology to sound erudite, and also exploit and misappropriate the little information and knowledge that they acquire through insincere metaphysical studies in order to make a big impression upon people so that the unknowing and innocent ones may be greatly influenced by their heinous machinations. From the very onset their motives for "aiding" people are simply the promotion of their ego--or self-aggrandizement, and the commercialization of the infinitesimal knowledge or psychic ability that they possess for huge financial returns.

    4 out of 5 people found this review helpful.

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  • Posted January 10, 2013

    Charlatans within the metaphysical field include false prophets,

    Charlatans within the metaphysical field include false prophets, self-serving gurus, fake psychics as well as so-called spiritual healers. The metaphysical branch certainly has its charlatans, scoundrels, and manipulators who are ever prepared and eager to mislead the earnest Seekers of Truth. Students of metaphysics in addition to laymen ought to comprehend the distinction between accurate spiritual metaphysicians and scoundrels assuming the title. Disciples from the Spirit can discern involving metaphysical practices and services of spiritual worth and the ones objectionable operations of pseudo-metaphysicians basically mislead the human being soul. All too often paranormal practices are erroneously deemed as spiritual.
    The metaphysical path is filled many different temptations, glamour and illusions, and one could simply get caught in the contrived traps of Maya plus the Dark forces. Due to the fast continuing development of the metaphysical, holistic, and paranormal fields nowadays there are quite a few unscrupulous people entering the profession promoting and marketing themselves excessively aiming to take economic benefit from the public’s interest, curiosity, enthusiasm and ignorance The Dark forces wish humanity to stagnate in its soul progression. It will not have humanity improve its spiritual status. Thus anything that stalls evolution or hinders man from treading the Spiritual Path is the work of the Fallen Ones.
    Pseudo-psychics and spiritual healers often have accomplices. They have their minions search for gullible persons whom they may influence and manipulate. By persuasive speech they convince their prey of the extensive powers and wisdom of the leader of their group.
    One of the negative traits of these self-styled spiritual Masters who present themselves as teachers of meditation and metaphysics is that they do not offer constant guidance or availability to their students. They are here one day, and in the next they are off somewhere where it is almost impossible for one to contact or communicate with them. If one encounters a problem in one's metaphysical practices certain spiritual leaders and guides are not available to offer assistance even when they were the unique creators of chaos projected on their victims. This is an irresponsible act of omission on the part of the so-called spiritual guide. In many cases this can be construed as the incompetence or inability of the Guru to provide true beneficial guidance. It can also be assumed that their motive for teaching metaphysics or branches of it in the first place was simply for its monetary returns. The true metaphysical Guru knows that spiritual teachings cannot be given in one gulp, but morsels at a time. Spiritual growth is a process and the Guru has to be constantly around to nurture the unfoldment of his students. Frauds normally take off and break communication after a small number of sessions with their victimized students.

    3 out of 4 people found this review helpful.

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  • Posted April 20, 2013

    The book begins as a ¿promising study,¿ but the luster soon fade

    The book begins as a “promising study,” but the luster soon fades as flaws and fallacies surface. - - - 'Meanwhile, they are the dogs with a mighty appetite - they can never get enough. And as for them, they are the shepherds who lack understanding; they have all turned to their own way, each one to his gain, each and every one. Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction.' - - - Honesty is the first chapter in the Book of Wisdom where many Researchers of Truth members fail and seem to considerably lack. Money speaks louder than Truth for the Researchers of Truth groups now since Daskalos' passing in 1995.

    2 out of 3 people found this review helpful.

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  • Posted January 26, 2013

    As humanity we are bound only by the need to reach certain under

    As humanity we are bound only by the need to reach certain understandings, learn the lessons and fully develop all aspects of our Selfhood. A human being, as a permanent personality, creates its own lower self, which has complete freedom to act on its other expressions, to be pleased or displeased by the different conditions and to know them. Only when the self is purged of ignorance, will it feel entirely free.

    `And ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall make you free.'—John 8:32, says the Most Beloved Christ Logos. Of course, anyone can make the point that there are individuals, who in spite of living in ignorance, feel themselves to be happy. But that is not true. Such beings are inwardly dissatisfied because they know that these things which delight them are only temporary. Continually satiating desire for temporal things leads to greater and greater appetite for material objects.

    'Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.'(Luke 21:33)

    "The gifts from God are rich and plentiful. In our labors to awaken this world to God's light we should refrain from taking any material gain. Throughout my life I have been fortunate to have been blessed with enough bounty that I have never had to charge anyone for the lessons or for healings I conduct. We all have our occupations and professions to support us, and our teaching work should remain separate in time and in nature. These Teachings should infuse all aspects of your lives, but not themselves become your lives. And never permit these Teachings to emerge as a source of income. If there grows the need to rent a common place for the Circle meeting, or you find that you have travel expenses, calculate the cost and divide the figure amongst those participating. This shouldn't come to very much. If some cannot afford to help, see that room is found for them."

    "I ask you all to work sincerely and quietly. I have never authorized anyone to teach our material outside of their Circles. No one has permission to speak or teach publicly in my name and on our work. Please understand that here in Cyprus we have never licensed any individual to collect funds on our behalf. Furthermore I have asked all of you to be discrete in your work and to refrain from publicly stating your relationship to myself and our work in Cyprus". - Stylianos Atteshlis (Daskalos)

    Dr. Stylianos Atteshlis (Daskalos)

    2 out of 3 people found this review helpful.

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  • Posted January 15, 2013

    Dogmas, false religious teachings and revelations are often taug

    Dogmas, false religious teachings and revelations are often taught and spread by false mystics, egotistic spiritual healers, bigoted priests, channels and paranormals. They do this for fame and to instill fear in the masses so that the masses would turn to them for assistance--and this, of course, is designed to fill their personal bank account.
    I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied. (Jeremiah 23:21)
    Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD. (Jeremiah 23:16)
    Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing! (Ezekial 13:3)

    2 out of 3 people found this review helpful.

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  • Anonymous

    Posted December 5, 2012

    "What this book lacks is compassion!"

    "What this book lacks is compassion!"

    2 out of 3 people found this review helpful.

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  • Anonymous

    Posted June 17, 2014

    I have studied all the three Whale books, I love them! Thank y

    I have studied all the three Whale books, I love them! Thank you ~ a seeker of truth

    1 out of 1 people found this review helpful.

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  • Anonymous

    Posted January 2, 2014

    ¿Researchersoftruth¿ are the dark side of Spirituality ¿ Charlat

    ‘Researchersoftruth’ are the dark side of Spirituality – Charlatans spiritual healers and con artists in the business to make money and their only motivation is greed. They insist their teachings are authentic but these spiritual healers no longer observe the vision nor hear the language that has been associated with words like humility, purity of heart, contrition. Kyriacos C. Markides once described in his trilogy books of Daskalos and his disciple healers (trained inner circle members) as helping their sufferers but some of these so-called spiritual healers chose to become elite creators of chaos. The group circles have lost their way since their founder Stylianos Atteshlis - Daskalos’ passing in 1995. They found an elaborate method to make money off the people they heal while the sufferer remains unaware that their healer is in fact the creator of their suffering.

    ‘It is very important to keep in mind that our motivation and intent must be pure. This creation is to be a humble prayer offered from one fellow human being to another. Never are we allowed to impose our will on others or to manipulate and interfere with their free will.’ Dr Stylianos Atteshlis (Daskalos)

    A man can have money, it goes away.
    A man can have possessions; they lose their luster and fade.
    A man has only one thing of value, Time.
    When man is gone, all that is left is the memory of the time man has spent.

    “Be yourself- not your idea of what you think somebody else’s idea of yourself should be. - Thoreau”
    Truth is within you. It takes no rise from outer things. Whatever you may believe , there is an innermost centre in you all where truth abides in fullness. If you allow that inner light to guide you away from foolishness and belief in wrong values, then you will indeed be responding to truth; and having found truth, remember to have faith in that truth to guide you every step of your journey through life. - White Eagle
    “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ ‘But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But, as it is written, “What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him”— these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God.’

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  • Anonymous

    Posted September 27, 2013

    Swimming with the Whale should have been titled ' Swiming with W

    Swimming with the Whale should have been titled ' Swiming with Whale Sharks' lighting the way to the next in these series of self-styled Dasklos teachings. Next in line is Diving with the Whale (Sharks).
    You have to be a truly spiritual person for the spirits to come and work through you. Daskalos was a spiritual person but the rest of his followers seem only to exploit his teachings as a profitable business to get rich themselves. True mystics have always been respected and have never been guided by God against their will to force others to do things against their will. These books simply intend to mislead unfamiliar readers to dangerous spiritual confusion leading only to delusion from the genuine teachings of what Daskalos perhaps once taught. While mystics are known to go into states of ecstasy, God does not “possess” their bodies and use them to do His bidding. He always respects the 'free will' of all His creatures.

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  • Posted January 11, 2013

    A person can learn a lot from a dog, like living each day with u

    A person can learn a lot from a dog, like living each day with unbridled exuberance and joy, about seizing the moment and following your heart. They can teach you to appreciate the simple things in life like a walk in the woods, a fresh snowfall on a cold winter's day, or just taking a nap in a ray of sunlight. As they grow old and achy they teach us about optimism in the face of adversity. Mostly, they teach us about friendship and selflessness and, above all else, unwavering loyalty. A dog judges others not by their color or creed or class but by who they are inside.
    A dog doesn't care if you’re rich or poor, clever or dull, smart or dumb. Give him your heart and he'll give you his. How many people can you say that about? How many people can make you feel rare and pure and special? How many people can make you feel extraordinary? You won't find the answers in this book or any other for that matter.
    Every one of us is in this journey to be all we can be and to help others on their journey to true fulfillment. Look deeply within your life and do what brings you joy and when you can, share some of that happiness with someone else around you. Life’s best moments are the ones that are shared. That’s the heart of what matters and the best legacy anyone can leave behind.

    1 out of 2 people found this review helpful.

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  • Anonymous

    Posted December 25, 2014

    A really entertaining read about a gay writer and poet during th

    A really entertaining read about a gay writer and poet during the rise of Castro

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  • Posted December 21, 2014

    @ ' I think the author has been attacked. Look at all the "

    @ ' I think the author has been attacked. Look at all the "anon' (anonymous)'
    AND LET’S NOTE THAT WOULD INCLUDE YOUR COMMENT WHICH IS ALSO POSTED UNDER ANONYMOUS. Political attacks?? Absurd presumption.

    In Daskalos home, over the fireplace, was placed a carving of the three monkeys: one with his eyes covered, another with his ear covered, and a third with his mouth covered. Kitsch? For Daskalos this was symbolic of the self-reliant man, whose integrity and spirituality come directly from an inner alignment with the divine. There is no need for such a man to gain self-worth through criticizing the outside world, and people in the near. A measure of a man spiritual stature is the degree to which he quarrels with the world. Daskalos' integrity, morality and spirituality were no longer dependent on social circumstances, but were fully God-orientated. Even when the Church would slander Daskalos' name, he would smile and say, 'They are good people, and do not mean harm.'

    Daskalos healed and taught with this threefold force which is why many found his mere presence so comforting, reassuring and uplifting. And the message he offered was that mystical Christianity leads of to full and balanced development. The New Testament,' Daskalos stated clearly at the conclusion of many lessons, 'should be your best friend and companion.For his advice, to young and old seekers alike was to stick to a faith so as not to become 'like a person digging little holes in many places; that you will never go deep enough to find water.'...

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  • Anonymous

    Posted November 23, 2014

    I think the author has been attacked. Look at all the "anon

    I think the author has been attacked. Look at all the "anonymous" reviews. They are personal attacks. They are political attacks. This is obvious. I found the book enlightening. I do not know much yet about Daskalos but am grateful to have this information and the lessons. I think all the objections to charging money for a book are unfounded. Even though Daskalos did not charge for his healings, books cost money to publish. Daskalos's books cost money also. All these negative reviews and one star reviews have really done the book and the author an injustice. If you wish to know about Daskalos and have some insight into his teachings and practices, you will benefit from this book.  

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  • Anonymous

    Posted September 10, 2014

    You know my name, not my story. You see my smile. Not my pain.

    You know my name, not my story.
    You see my smile. Not my pain.
    You've heard what I've done, but not what I've been through.
    You can read my lips; Not my mind.
    The truth is; You didn't even know me.
    But you saw nothing wrong with destroying my future.
    And Daskalos cannot fix the wrong that you did.

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