Forever Peace

Forever Peace

by Joe Haldeman, Joe Haldeman

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ISBN-13: 9780441005666
Publisher: Penguin Publishing Group
Publication date: 10/01/1998
Series: Remembering Tomorrow
Edition description: Reissue
Pages: 368
Sales rank: 310,528
Product dimensions: 4.20(w) x 6.80(h) x 0.90(d)
Lexile: 810L (what's this?)
Age Range: 18 Years

About the Author

Joe Haldeman is a Vietnam veteran whose classic novels The Forever War and Forever Peace both have the rare honor of winning the Hugo and Nebula Awards. He has served twice as president of the Science Fiction Writers of America and is currently an adjunct professor teaching writing at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

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Forever Peace 3.3 out of 5 based on 0 ratings. 12 reviews.
melmore on LibraryThing 10 months ago
A thoughtful, probing book about war and its consequences, the nature of reality in a cybernetic world, and the responsibilities which accompany those two. Not a sequel to _Forever War_, but an oblique tangent from it...
bardsfingertips on LibraryThing 10 months ago
It is not that it's a bad story. It's not even a terrible concept. My problem with this book is that everything just sort of happens without any real suspense; events just unfold without too much explination or exploration. I prefered the first half's psychological reasoning for suicide and (cybernetic) dependence. It is the actual plot of the book that gets a little lost with me... This was just not a satisfying read...and I wish it was written a little bit better because I believe that this could have been a great book (for me).Two things I did like about the book: its confrontation of mindless racism (something we seem to be experiencing more and more in a post 9/11 United States); and I thought its manner of going from first-person to third-person narration alternating between chapter breaks. I thought the later was an interesting move by the author.Anyway, I believe I might have been missing something simply due to this book's reception... Or, just maybe, I am the only sane one in a world of madmen?;-)
TadAD on LibraryThing 10 months ago
This didn't come close to The Forever War. Fortunately, despite the deliberate similarity in the titles, it's not related to the latter, either. I read it, I'll probably forget about it some day.
geordicalrissian on LibraryThing 10 months ago
I fairly like this novel. The story was very engaging in the beginning, but fell off in the middle. Mr. Haldeman explores in much detail a very interesting topic. How does a particular advancement in technology impact the world. And not just in total, but down to an individual. I would recommend this book, even if you have not read Forever War. They are written in the same universe, but are completely disjointed.
Karlstar on LibraryThing 10 months ago
I enjoyed this book when I read it, but now I find that a couple of years later, I really can't remember it. It is the near future, and warfare is conducted via machines run by the minds of part time warrior 'operators'. One of the operators gets tired of the senseless killing, and starts questioning the motives of his superiors and the government, and uncovers a plot. Without giving too much away, that's the general plot of the book. It was full of action and well thought out, just not as memorable as Forever War or Camouflage.
FicusFan on LibraryThing 10 months ago
This is a book that I read for a RL book group. I had already purchased the book many years before my group picked it, but hadn't gotten around to reading it. Haldeman is famous in SF circles for his book Forever War, which I also have, but have not read yet. This book is not really a sequel, but looks at some of the issues from Forever War in a different angle (according to the author).In short, I found the book to be awkwardly written, confusing, lacking in focus, superficial, and a slog.The book looks at Julian the POV character, an academic, scientist and part time soldier. They live in a world where nano-tech has made work-for-profit obsolete (at least in the developed world). His military service is as a mechanic, 10-15 days a month. He operates an empty robotic suit that is the 'soldier'. He thinks and feels as if he is in the Soldierboy when it is operating, but his body is safely locked away in cage and not in the field where the action takes place.The other change in the world is that they have found a way to put jacks in people's heads. The jacks allow them to link with others and have a real meeting of the minds. The jack can allow sharing back and forth, or can be in only one direction. Not everyone can be jacked and many die or are disabled if the jack surgery doesn't work. The jacking is how Julian can remotely operate the solider. Besides remote operation he can link with others in his platoon, and those up the chain of command.The people in the book are Julian's friends, his lover, and army comrades. So there are a lot of people and its hard to keep track. Specifically the author uses Julian and then a narrator. But rather than blending them as most authors do, the narrator is set off in a separate chapter. So you are reading as Julian, and then you are referring to Julian in the 3rd person, all in the same voice. Its very confusing, especially at the start. It makes you doubt who is who and it takes you out of the story. There are also issues with the descriptions and wording that jar and slow down the reading, because you have to go back.The lack of focus is that the book seems to wander around with no real purpose. First its an action book with a focus on the war and fighting and stalking as a Soldierboy, then it focuses on Julian's love life and his relationship with his Girlfriend, then his social connections, then it becomes about science, then it winds up as a political, cultural thriller. The transitions aren't that good, you get bored by the time Haldeman moves on. And you ask yourself, what is this about, and when will it end ?The superficiality comes in the big ideas Haldeman tosses around and doesn't really explore.1. The 'war' is between the haves and the have-nots, the whites and the non-whites. Julian is actually a black man, and suffers racism - but he is the tool of a white society. The war is only casually mentioned, and never really explained as to what the conflict is about. Haldeman never explores why its OK for their society to work that way, why educated decent people support it. In many ways it echoes life today, though it was written in 1998.2. Julian and his academic friends discover a giant science experiment will kill all life everywhere, essentially recreating the big bang. Outside reaction to the discovery when they try to warn others, is to either suppress the danger to weaponize it, or for religious zealots to use it to get closer to god by bringing about the end. The zealots have secretly infiltrated the government and the military. Due to the possible extinction Julian and his friends decide that humans must be pacified so that not only will it not happen now, but that humans in the future won't come to the same brink and possibly make the wrong decision. They hatch this secret plot to pacify the world using technology. No talk about laws, free will, or about how aggression when channeled probably fuels reproduction, creativity, ex
sturlington on LibraryThing 10 months ago
In the future world of Forever Peace, the United States possesses nanoforge technology, which can create pretty much anything out of raw materials. The U.S. is also in a perpetual war with most of the countries in the Southern hemisphere, which don¿t have the nanoforge. U.S. military fights the war virtually via robots called ¿soldierboys,¿ which are controlled by soldiers who are ¿jacked in¿ to the killing machines hundreds of miles away.Julian is one of those soldiers, but when a mission goes horribly wrong, he can no longer bring himself to fight. When his lover, Amelia, discovers that a planned physics experiment will destroy the universe, creating a doomsday device that anyone with a nanoforge and enough raw materials can build, Julian realizes that mankind can no longer afford our warlike nature. Then another scientist friend reveals a solution, one that may either enhance our humanity or remove it altogether.This was a very entertaining book, with a lot of interesting ideas. I particularly like the way the experience of jacking, not such a new concept in science fiction, is explored. However, after a very long build-up and way too much exposition, I found the end to be unsatisfactorily abrupt and too cut-and-dried. It does seem like eliminating our warlike tendencies is the right course of action to take, but how ethical is it to do so against peoples¿ will? No character really takes a stand on this or offers an alternative viewpoint for the rather sticky ethical question raised. The only opposition are such grotesque nutjobs who will do literally anything to bring about the apocalypse so that of course the protagonists seem very sane by comparison.So even though I really enjoyed Forever Peace, I ended up wishing for a bit more depth to it.
duhrer on LibraryThing More than 1 year ago
I picked up an omnibus edition of "Forever War", "Forever Free" and "Forever Peace" a few days ago. I had read the first two a while back, and they remain among my favorites, so much so that I can't leave them lying around or I'll reread whole sections every time I walk past them.I had high hopes for "Forever Peace", which is not a bad book by any means, but is perhaps a bit more ordinary than the excellent "Forever War" or the engaging "Forever Free". Both "Forever Peace" and "Forever Free" were written in the late nineties, around 25 years after "Forever War". "Forever Free" is less of a departure, as it expands on the technologies and situations of "Forever War", with a bit more philosophy and a bit less technology. "Forever Peace" seems less connected, there is in fact almost nothing to suggest that the story takes place in the same world as the other two novels.It starts reasonably enough, with the life of Julian Class, a part-time soldierboy operator who joins with his platoon to form a kind of collective consciousness for ten days out of each month. During the other twenty-odd days, Class is a researcher and lecturer in physics. Both aspects of his life are introduced and fleshed out well. The work begins to falter when it the main dynamic of the second half of the work is unveiled. We are meant to believe that the immediate choice facing humanity is either utter and immediate self-destruction or utter and more or less immediate pacification. It's the forced juxtaposition that hurts the work.This is not to say that parts of the work aren't genuinely enjoyable. Haldeman teases aspects out of "jacking" that other authors dealing with similar material haven't picked up. Most notable is his idea the that the prolonged joining of minds through technology leads to greater sympathy of joined individuals for the whole of humankind.At any rate, it's a fairly short read and enjoyable enough if you're willing to invest the time.
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cwreynolds More than 1 year ago
This one was just okay. I tried to like it more, but just could not. I loved The Forever War and A Seperate War, so I really tried to love this one but could not. The good: The concept of soldierboys, flyboys, and waterboys powered armor always grabs my attention. The futuristic powerplays and Central and South American AORs are even relevant today. The bad: The swapping between third person and first person narrative gets tiring after a few times. One of the best aspects of The Forever War was the first person narrative. The story just kind of ends. The build up seemed to promise more than the ending resolved. There are quite a few ethical issues with the premise. Overall, it is a good story. However, if one is looking for a sequel to The Forever War, this is not really it.
Guest More than 1 year ago
More so than any other SF author, with Forever Peace Haldeman exfoliates the human soul to its bare core. Not the most scientifically innovative, exotic, or complex SF book you will read, but certainly one that will stick with you through the years. As stylish and engaging as anything from the Pulitzer crowd, with more than enough to satisfy those of us who dream of the future.
Guest More than 1 year ago
I really enjoyed Joe Haldeman's Forever Peace and thought it did a good job illustrating the horror and guilt of war. In fact, the first half of the book is spent exploring and describing the world in which the story takes place. It is an uneven world where a massive global war is fought on one side (the western world), by remote control where there are few human casualties and on the other side (the third world), where humans are butchered daily. The plot really gets going in the second half of the book when the set up ends and the interesting discussions, science, and action begin. Once you cross over that line in the book, you can't stop reading. To boil it down, a small group of academics formulate a plan to change the world, and humanity, as we know it. Weather their plan is good or bad for humanity is open to debate but the author certainly comes down on the side of the academics. I would have liked to see more time spent exploring the 'plan' and it's ultimate ramifications on humanity if successful. I thought this was a good book and well worth the read but just can't see how it rises to the level of a Hugo award winner. It could be that I'm just spoiled reading this story in a post Matrix world where the central scientific concept of the book, jacking minds together via a socket in the back of the neck, has been thoroughly explored and therefore does not seem as fresh and brilliant to me. It was probably more ground-breaking and innovative at the time it was published. However, it was a very well written book that kept me turning the pages late into the night. Its central theory about humanity is very interesting and I recommend it to all science fiction lovers out there.