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Forever Ours: Real Stories of Immortality and Living from a Forensic Pathologist

Forever Ours: Real Stories of Immortality and Living from a Forensic Pathologist

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by Janis Amatuzio

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A Minnesota coroner who has performed or supervised thousands of autopsies, author Janis Amatuzio has made it a point to talk with and comfort the families of the deceased. This commitment has garnered her the moniker “The Compassionate Coroner.” But what Amatuzio has received from these talks amounts to far more than a nickname. Coincidences,


A Minnesota coroner who has performed or supervised thousands of autopsies, author Janis Amatuzio has made it a point to talk with and comfort the families of the deceased. This commitment has garnered her the moniker “The Compassionate Coroner.” But what Amatuzio has received from these talks amounts to far more than a nickname. Coincidences, synchronicities, and visions have utterly transformed Amatuzio’s understanding of the passage from life to death. A scientist at heart, Amatuzio seeks to integrate her understanding of the medical realm with the incredible stories she’s come across in her many years as a coroner. From the patient who, just before he died, told of being “visited” by a long-dead friend, to the two sisters, miles apart, who felt unexplained sensations at the moment their father passed away, Amatuzio details the extraordinary lessons she has learned about death, life, and the great beyond.

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Forever Ours

Real Stories of Immortality and Living from a Forensic Pathologist

By Janis Amatuzio

New World Library

Copyright © 2004 Janis Amatuzio
All rights reserved.
ISBN: 978-1-57731-720-3



My mother, my great encourager and supporter, listened patiently as I read her the last chapter of this book, and she did what every daughter prays for at such a moment. She cried and then looked at me with an expression of such admiration and pride. As my mother gave me this gift, she asked a question that would give me one more. She said, "Janis, it's just beautiful, but tell me something — for whom did you write this book and, more importantly, why?"

I felt a familiar tug in my heart, the one that lets me know there is more to learn and more to understand. I had to dig deeply for the answers, some of which surprised me. Let me explain.

Simply put, I am a physician. Specifically, a forensic pathologist: one who speaks for the dead. As a county coroner and medical examiner, I have spent years documenting and describing death scenes, examining bodies, and performing autopsies. I have carefully counted stab wounds, photographed gunshot wounds, and traced the pathways of injuries through the body.

The forensic pathologist must ask the question "What happened?" and clearly and scientifically explain the answer to the courts, to law enforcement, to physicians, and, most of all, to the family of the deceased person.

I grew up watching my physician father, an internist, take time to talk with and kindly listen to his patients. Perhaps that's why I began talking with and listening to the families of deceased persons who received my care. I made it a practice to call family members and explain the autopsy results on noncriminal cases, to send a letter, and, when needed, to meet in person.

These talks have not always been easy for me. After explaining the autopsy results, toxicology results, and conclusions that forensic pathology can provide, I inevitably come face to face with the family's raw grief, their tears and torn hearts, and the question that I can never answer — "Why?"

But the same thing that brought me the greatest unease also brought me the greatest gift. These families, the loved ones left behind, occasionally have shared their perspectives and thoughts and, sometimes, dreams, visions, and synchronicities that they experienced in and around the death of their loved ones. These reflections have made me wonder.

When I was growing up and didn't understand a problem or an issue, I would often talk with my father and be told to study harder. Applying this wisdom, I began to study the issues of death, loss, and mortality from every angle I could imagine. It's been written that if you look at something closely enough, you begin to see right through it. I have come to believe that the answers to life's most difficult questions are woven into its design, much as in an optical illusion.

First, you have to look, and when you look closely enough, something happens — a tiny shift in perspective occurs. Images once hidden become apparent, and you can't help but wonder what changed and why you didn't recognize them before.

I've come to realize that there is a mysterious dimension of forensic pathology that I almost missed entirely, and yet it also feels strangely familiar. Although I still document the "body of evidence," I have become fascinated with the essence of what has left. For a scientist and physician, however, the problem is that this area of study isn't precise. It can't be measured or photographed, and people's experiences around death can't be proven beyond a reasonable degree of medical certainty. Studying death has required me to take a leap — a huge leap professionally — from my mind to my heart. And in doing so, I've remembered that what is most meaningful often cannot be measured, and that everything that counts cannot be counted.

Individually, these experiences and shared stories were interesting, but collectively they had the ring of a larger truth. Almost unexpectedly, as I gathered and wrote down these stories, I realized that the answers I had been searching for had been there all along. They were woven into the fabric of my patients' lives and deaths and woven into my own. I just hadn't recognized it.

So, to answer my mother's first question, I realize now that I wrote this book for myself. You see, I believe that we teach that which we most need to learn. And I now know that we teach that which we most need to remember. That, perhaps, is the greatest revelation for me. The answers were there all along. I just had to remember them.

The answer to the second question — "Why?" — is still unfolding, but it is beginning to be replaced with wonder and inklings of greater things to come. The search has led me on an unexpected journey, and I have encountered some treasures along the way. I have grown much more aware of the Divine Presence in the universe than I ever imagined I would be. I remember more often to see magic unfolding in my life. I have begun to trust that I am never alone. I have come to believe that our loved ones are truly forever ours.

It has been said that what you do for another you ultimately do for yourself. These gathered experiences and recounted stories have been a blessing in my life. It is my fondest hope that their telling will be a blessing in yours.



I grew up watching my father care for people, attempt to heal them, and comfort them. I grew up watching my mother lovingly care for Dad and for us.

My father is a doctor and my mother was a nurse. They met for the first time over the bed of a sick child on station 42, the pediatrics ward, at the University of Minnesota Hospitalsin Minneapolis. Dad tells me that he knew in aninstant that this pretty little Irishwoman would one day be his wife. Three years later, in the midst of his internal medicine internship and World War II, they married and he went off to war. They wrote to each other every day. My mother has kept those love letters close to her heart all these years, carefully wrapped and stored with other treasures in her cedar chest.

When my father returned from his tour of duty at a navy hospital in the Pacific, my mother stopped working as a private-duty nurse, and they began raising their family. I am the oldest of three children. I knew very early in my life that I would be a doctor (or a cowboy — my mother first convinced me that I was a girl and then that, if I became a doctor, I might be able to afford being a cowgirl!).

Dad practiced medicine in the days before managed health care, when house calls were not uncommon. He never seemed to mind them.

When I was a little girl, my father would take me and my siblings along on house calls. I loved to go, but Dad would have my brother and me wait in the car while he went in to care for the sick. I often wondered just exactly what Dad did when he visited his patients, many of whom were our neighbors.

Mother tells me that while we were waiting in the car one windy day, Dad came out of a house to find that I had taken a whole box of tissues and let them go, one by one, out the car window. All the lawns down the block were strewn with flowered white tissues. Dad spent the next half hour picking them up. After that, I never played with the tissues again, and I began to make house calls, too.

These visits fascinated me; even then I was aware that Dad seemed to be able to fix things. I would see looks of concern and worry melt into smiles and thank-yous. These people seemed to just love my dad.

It was amazing. I knew even then that part of the magic that surrounded my father was his great compassion and his ability to gently reassure his patients. And I know now that Dad reassured us all.

* * *

My father's doctor bag was made of smooth tan-brown leather. It had many compartments and smelled of antiseptics and leather polish. His stethoscope and blood-pressure cuff were nestled among papers and syringes and vials. I would often carry his bag as far as the patient's front door.

One day, I went with my father to visit Mr. Phillips, an elderly neighbor who lived with his wife across the street from us. Their white house was filled with dark furniture, embroidered chairs, and heavy drapery. The house smelled of old things and perfume. Mrs. Phillips must have been watching for us because the front door opened before we had climbed to the top step. She thanked Dad for coming to their home and held on to his hand as she told him about her husband, who had been sick for a long time. Dad put down his doctor's bag, took off his coat, and placed it on a hallway chair. "Don't worry now, Irene. Let me go and see him. Janis, you wait here for me," he said as he gestured to one of the living room chairs.

Mrs. Phillips took Dad and his bag down the short, dark hallway just off the living room and opened a partly closed bedroom door. She came out a few minutes later. She looked calmer now. "Would you like some milk or lemonade?" she asked me. "Yes," I nodded as we walked into the kitchen and I sat down at the table. How different their kitchen looked from my mother's. There was so much stuff on the counters — little bags of this and that, cookies and crackers, jams and nuts, and books everywhere. Mr. Phillips was a teacher. She placed a glass of cold milk and a plate of cookies in front of me. "How is Mr. Phillips?" I asked.

"He is very sick," she answered. "I'm so glad that your father is here to help him." She picked up an armload of towels from the floor. "Will you be all right here for a few minutes? I have to run downstairs for a moment to change a load of wash." I nodded, and Mrs. Phillips disappeared down a narrow set of stairs to the basement.

I looked around, then quietly got off the chair and stole through the living room and down the hall to Mr. Phillips's bedroom. I peeked through a crack in the door. Mr. Phillips was sitting up in bed, his shirt was off, and Dad was thoughtfully listening to his chest, telling him to take a deep breath. Then Dad sat down beside the bed as Mr. Phillips put his shirt back on. I saw Dad nod his head as Mr. Phillips began to speak.

Then, to my surprise, I saw Mr. Phillips put his big, gnarled hand up to his eyes and begin to cry. They were great big sobs — his shoulders shook and his head was bowed. Dad gently reached over and put his hand on Mr. Phillips's arm, then took his hand and held it in both of his. Neither talked for a while. Mr. Phillips looked very old and bony just then, his skin thin and wrinkled. He seemed to all but disappear beneath the bed sheets. He and Dad sat there for a long time, it seemed, and then Mr. Phillips slowly stopped crying, reached over to Dad, and hugged him. As Dad stood up, I saw that he had tears in his eyes, too!

That was the first time I saw my father cry. Then I heard a noise and quickly ran back to the kitchen, gulped down the glass of milk, and hid a cookie in my pocket — just in time, as Mrs. Phillips was carrying a basket of clothes up from the basement.

Dad spoke to her as we put on our coats to leave. She hugged him, too. They spoke in hushed tones as she wiped her eyes with her apron.

We left, and, as we walked down the sidewalk, I took Dad's hand and asked, "What is wrong with Mr. Phillips? He seems very sick, and Mrs. Phillips is very worried about him. Will he get better?"

Dad paused. "I don't think so, Jombasba. This is a disease called Parkinson's, and he has had it for a very long time." (Jombasba was Dad's special name for me, derived from our Italian ancestry and from his imagination, I think.)

"But, Dad, will he die?"

Dad stopped right there in the middle of the sidewalk, looked a little sad, and said, "Yes, Mr. Phillips will eventually die. We all die someday, Janis."

My nine-year-old eyes filled with tears. "But, Daddy, that's not right! Mrs. Phillips loves him so! Oh, this is just terrible!" I felt overwhelmed and sat right down on the sidewalk and began to cry. My father seemed flustered by my reaction, or perhaps he was a bit worried about what my mother would say. I felt as though I had just discovered a terrible secret.

Dad put his arms around me and asked, "Janis, what do you think happens when we die?"

"I don't know," I sniveled, looking up at him, feeling miserable, and hoping once again that he could make things better.

"Jombasba, we go to heaven — we go to be with God."

"Where is heaven, Daddy?"

My father took a deep breath, paused, and said, "Well, you have to close your eyes and imagine the happiest, grandest, best place that you can, where all the special people and animals in your life are gathered, where the sky is velvet blue, the grass glistens, the flowers smile, and you feel like you are finally home ... and that, Janis, will be heaven."

"How do I get there, Daddy?"

"Don't worry, God knows the way, and so do you."

"Will Mr. Phillips get there?"

"I'm sure he'll get there too," Dad replied.

"Are you sure, Dad?"

"Yes, Janis, I'm sure."

We were almost home now. It was getting dark outside, and we could see the kitchen lights on and Mother busy fixing dinner. I ran into the house and quickly forgot about our talk and our house call and Mr. Phillips. My life was filled with all the things of childhood — school and friends, studying, and growing up.

But as the days passed, I grew determined to study medicine and become a physician, just like my dad. I attended medical school and then did an internal medicine internship, a pathology residency, and a forensic pathology fellowship. I began to realize the profound effect my father's compassion had had on me. I too began to listen to my patients and their loved ones and to attempt to reassure them as my father had. As I listened, I learned more than I had ever imagined I could.



As a third-year medical student in 1976, I was required to take several six-week rotations on the internal medicine service. I began to have patients of my own to examine, diagnose, and care for, all under the watchful eyes of the resident and staff physicians. My first rotation was at the old Veterans Administration (VA) hospital in Minneapolis.

Back then, the VA hospital was ringed by large, well-manicured lawns, which were studded with towering oak and elm trees that cast delightful shade in the summer and boasted beautiful gold, red, and rust colors in the fall. The halls had gleaming, well-worn floors of marble, wood, and linoleum. The wards smelled of old books mixed with the pungent odor of antiseptic.

I was proud of my new short white coat and the blue name tag announcing I was a medical student, and I tried to fling my stethoscope around my neck with the same casual abandon and confidence that I observed in the interns and residents. My new otoophthalmoscope (an instrument for examining ears and eyes, which was a gift from my father) and notebook were shoved deeply into the side pockets of my coat.

I walked down the long hall to 6AW, known as the red medicine service, one October Monday, all fresh and excited, and very nervous. The intern there, Doug, introduced himself with a commanding manner: "Janis, welcome to red medicine. I expect you to work up the patients I assign you and care for them as your own. Don't expect a lot of extra help — I have seventeen patients of my own. If you have questions, catch me or the staff doc. You can start by taking the next admit, some sixty-six-year-old guy with a cough down in the ER — they are assigning him to me, and I am dumping him on you!"

I was a bit surprised at his tone, but in the spirit of showing no weakness, and as the only female medical student on 6AW, I answered, "No problem, I'll take care of it. Where can I find him? What is his name?"

"Mr. Larson, Don Larson," Doug shot over his shoulder as he charged off down the hall to catch the staff doctor.

I stood there, poised to act, thoughts racing through my head. "What should I do first? Which blood tubes to draw? There's the history and physical to do. How do I write orders? Where is the ER? Where is my patient?"

The head nurse evidently had been watching me and must have seen my uncertainty. In a businesslike but kind way, she said, "Doctor, let me help you. I hear you are admitting Mr. Larson." She looked starched and capable. I felt grateful for her presence.

"Most everything you're going to need for pulling a chart together is located at the front desk area with the ward clerk. Needles, syringes, and blood tubes are located at the nurses' station," she offered as she gathered me up, introduced me to the nurses and clerk, and whisked me into the back rooms (the nuts-and-bolts areas) of 6AW.

"Thank you, thank you so much. I didn't know just where to begin," I said as I grabbed papers for progress notes, order sheets, and request forms and stuffed red-, purple-, and blue-top blood tubes (one color for each type of blood test) in my coat pockets. "Ma'am?" I asked. "Could you tell me where the ER is — I mean, where my patient is?"


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Anonymous More than 1 year ago
I read her other book and really enjoyed confirming what I always believed. I highly recommend you read it!
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Minnesota_Momma More than 1 year ago
After experiencing situations in my own personal life, it was wonderful to read about other people's experiences. We are all tied together as humans and I find it comforting to know that people may not be as "gone" as they might seem. Tiny little signs can show you that loved ones are still thinking of you. This book brought me to tears at several times, not sad, but bittersweet. Excellent read for anyone who has recently, or even not so recently lost someone in their life.
Guest More than 1 year ago
I didn't want this book to ever end! The stories of dying patients this author writes about are so interesting, and makes you really think... Is there something after death? It is such a good read!
Guest More than 1 year ago
I am a hospice nurse and have frequently wondered about the 'death experience' from the perspective of the dying person. This book has given me such a sense of peace about death and dying. I appreciated the fact that these stories were based on factual events and conversations that the author had with the patients and/or their loved ones. I wish I could find more books with data this descriptive. I had goosebumps through the entire book. I HIGHLY reccomend this book to anyone who may have questions about loved ones they have lost. What a comfort!
Guest More than 1 year ago
This is an amazing book that helped me open my eyes to some of the things in life that you normally don't see. It isn't all about solving the crime or case, its what comes out of it in the end. I read this entire book on a 2 1/2 hour plane ride. 5+++ stars!
Guest More than 1 year ago
Dr Amatuzio is a talented writer. She has a wealth of knowledge, and is able to write a book capable of touching the hearts of everyday people regardless of their background. This book is impossible to put down once you start it. You will see death in a whole new light after experiencing this book.
Guest More than 1 year ago
Dr. Amatuzio listens with an open heart which becomes filled with stories reflecting awe, hopefulness and peace after peaking through to the other side of life.
Guest More than 1 year ago
This book is calming and reassuring. In simple unpretentious words the author shares stories of her own experiences and stories that families have shared with her. I am so grateful that she is spreading the word of love and life-the word that so many souls have shared with their loved ones after they have died. Thank you for this book.
Guest More than 1 year ago
This book helped me to better comprehend and deal with the death of my mother. The stories in this book exude compassion, understanding, and hope. It should be required reading for all medical personnel, care givers, and survivors. Thanks for the read.